Episode ruined by not cutting to Liddy in the van jerking it imo.

yeah it's kind of like how S3 should have taught him that having a "kill friend" was a bad idea. but Dexter doesn't listen to Harry, or learn anymore.

this show is entertaining, glad the season is getting better, but it's turn your brain off type stuff. i still kinda like it though, for what it is.

I understand your point of view and agree that if the show somehow manages to become less suspensefull and less dark with Deb finding out, I agree they should not do it. But does it really have to go like that?

As an example as a setup for the final season Deb finds out at the start but Dexter doesn't know she finds out. Deb struggles what to do with herself after finding out about it, she feels like she has to turn it in but realises how many lifes it would destroy, including hers, etc. Can go on a lot of different roads from that point obviously, which would be the challenge for the writing team: finding a good one.

Combine that with an epic villain like last 2 seasons and some other Dexter-style plotlines and you got a fantastic premise imo.

That would be shows like Prison Break, Heroes, Lost, Supernatural, Buffy etc.

Don't compare Dexter to that. Dexter is probably not up there with stuff like Mad Men, The Wire, Six Feet Under, Breaking Bad,... if you look from the intellectual point of view, but no way it is down with the first list either. And looking only at the entertainment factor, it can hang with the best shows imo.

I thought it was more LOL that the DVD's were there. I mean Chase had to know about them right? He definitely knew whats his name had been taken out so why wouldn't he send someone over to the house to find them (or any evidence he might have for that matter)

Another hole w.r.t. DVDs is that Dexter presumably substituted a blank disk in place of a burned one. Why would anyone scratch out a blank disk?

Because then they can think oh its damaged beyond repair ok must have been an accident instead of why the **** is there a blank disc between all this epic porn?

What I don't understand is how they're going to write Lumen out. I don't believe she's going to be a permanent fixture, but Dexter can't handle another loss like if she dies. I mean, that inner monologue would be terrible. "When Rita was murdered I thought I couldn't get close to anyone again. Now that Lumen was killed, I really, really, really can't get close to anyone again." So I'm thinking something happens where she sacrifices herself for Dexter to save him from getting caught and just winds up in prison or something. Maybe she takes out Liddy after he's already told Quinn some information and turns herself in to stop any further investigation.

Man, what is with Masuka being grossed out by the torture porn dvds? He should have been burning copies for personal use. Way to stay true to your characters, ball-less writers.

I was hoping for at least some kind of head nod toward Masuka the perv, dissapointing that they had him react just like everyone else

There is an ocean of difference between being an S&M perv and enjoying those videos (think consent). It makes perfect sense he would find them repulsive.

^ Lol, it's not like it was his daughter or anything.

you clearly know nothing about sex. Carry on.

Maybe not, but I certainly know about masturbating to morally reprehensible acts. And isn't that the question at hand?

it doesn't make sense that he'd want dexter/lumen to be caught there with a kill room set up?

You are conflating S&M kink with torture and rape. The two things may look similar but have nothing at all in common. That is my point and that is why it is perfectly logical that Masuka would never find the videos the least bit erotic.

This x100000000000000000

You need to re-watch the episode. Much more closely this time.

Perfectly logical in the Candyland that you and the writers seem to live in.

you can look at the back of a disk and visually see if it has data on it

awesome episode i thought. i really liked the scene with lumen talking to emily. i really liked all the jordan chase scenes. they are foreshadowing deb finding out.

I think it's unlikely that Deb finds out. They've been foreshadowing that since season 1 and I'm sure it is how the series ends, but I don't see them pulling that card now. There's no way for the show to go on beyond 1 more season after Deb finds out.

I think it's unrealistic that Dexter hasn't been caught or that there isn't more suspicion that he's hiding something, but the evidence that people are using to say "Quinn must know he's a killer" is pretty flimsy. Outside of being on a TV show I don't think anyone's mind jumps to "that guy's a vigilante" with that evidence. Quinn finding out is much more likely than Deb, though.

I understand that they thought it would be too repetitive to have Jordan Chase to be a season long super villain the same way Trinity was, but it's a shame we are only going to get a few episodes as he is ****ing awesome (the character and the actor). The relationship with the original girl is really interesting as is the fact that he created these serial killers and never does anything to the girls. It appears that he is asexual, I'm guessing due to a physical limitation, but it would be better if it was just because he's messed up.

+1 to thinking Alex Tilden would turn out to be innocent. The shotty setup job on Dexter was poorly written. They're establishing Chase as awesomely powerful and intelligent and that was all he could come up with? Why not get Tilden or the girl or one of his bodyguards to kill Dexter? It just seemed incongruous that he somehow amazingly has his first victim in love with him and seemingly willing to do anything for him, and all he does with the perfect situation is setup a situation where he might get arrested.

I'd really like for there to be just one mention of the bay harbor butcher or of Doakes. Not in any way that puts suspicion towards Dexter or anything, but just an acknowledgment that 2 years ago they worked the most important case of their careers where their coworker turned out to be a prolific serial killer. This case where they are chasing a vigilante killer should remind them enough of that to make just one passing remark about it. That's all I want and I'm going to flip out if it doesn't happen.

My prediction:

Deb figures out about Lumen because of her likeness to the other 12 girls. Quinn kills Robocop for threatening to rat out Quinn's sketchy side (or threatening Deb), but realizes that Robocop was on to something after he kills him. He asks Dexter to help him in exchange for not turning him in. Dexter then kills Quinn and Deb arrests Lumen. Season ends with Deb being REALLY suspicious about Dexter and asking him point blank. Season 6 starts with his answer.

I agree with whoever predicted Lumen takes the fall in order to protect Dexter. Probably easier to have everyone "know" it was her then have her killed. Could have her go to prison but that would be a little messier. Either way, its a pretty easy solution to write themselves out of the corner they are in now this way if they want to go on for multiple seasons. They have written themselves into worse corners before then used an easy cop-out without it affecting the enjoyment of watching too much. Don't remember the details exactly, but Dexter's girl blowing up the cabin and killing the cop that knew all about Dexter's murders (but of course Dexter couldn't kill him because he was innocent) and was definitely going to turn him in was pretty crazy.

If next season is the last, then they could go in countless directions but doubt they want to end it yet.

No dexter spoilers but Mad Men/Wire/Breaking Bad spoilers in box



That said I don't think Deb should find out Dex's secret for a number of other reasons. Just a couple of reasons being that I think it would be difficult to execute correctly and it would only lead to more swearing/emotional Deb which is a weak point for the series.