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03-24-2016 , 10:10 PM
Finished today. 2 questions:

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That 40-story deep pit. What's that about?

The kids and the blood. What's that about?
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03-24-2016 , 10:57 PM
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So I have a question relating back to season 1

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If Stick knows all along that Elektra is "Black Sky", why does he go after that random kid who is supposedly the "Black Sky" in S1?
This covers the above post too.

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There seems to be multiple black skies and they need to die and come back to life in a specific time scale to be activated, relating to the blood, the big jar thing and the big hole in hell's kitchen that was labeled black sky in season one and which Nobu demanded. Its exact importance was never spelt out as far as I'm aware.

I am mainly going off Elektra the movie that I don't even remember much of in the assumption it all ties together. I am unsure of her exact lore but I think black sky is a new twist for the show. I've not stumbled on details from comics about it anyway. Special blood and resurrection in that location turns a potential black sky into an activated black sky I assume.

He saved Elektra for reasons not fully explored but he seemed to have just liked her in a father daughter sense. Maybe he thought turning a dark sky good was a potentially winning strategy never explored before.

My expectation is the crossover mini series is about elektra as black sky and we will know more then. They left details intentionally vague.

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03-25-2016 , 06:46 PM
Are we still spoiler tagging all of this? been up for a while now.
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03-25-2016 , 06:50 PM
yeah a whole week! how come not everyone has spent 13 hours to watch the entire season?
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03-25-2016 , 07:58 PM
Feels like most people posting have finished it.
Was just wondering though, when does it become ok to just talk about it?
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03-26-2016 , 01:52 AM
I don't know what sort of timeline etiquette dictates, but House of Cards was released on 3/4 and we're still posting in spoiler tags. Nothing has been hard determined. Maybe 1 month is good?
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03-26-2016 , 06:01 AM
1 week is totally fine. Why would anyone come here to begin with if they haven't watched the full season?
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03-26-2016 , 08:58 AM
i agree with that, this is a TV forum and it's 11 hours of TV.
I think it hurts the thread having to mess about with spoilers for too long.
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03-26-2016 , 11:44 AM
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1 week is totally fine. Why would anyone come here to begin with if they haven't watched the full season?
I kinda like 1 week. I popped in here before watching because I wanted to get an idea of how people initially rated the season.
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03-26-2016 , 02:34 PM
ya, 1 week is superfine, this show isnt as spoilerintense as HoC is, and you are ****ing ******ed if youre gonna dispute me on this. People are automagically putting themself at risk by entering this thread when its a whole season at once kinda deal. Esp if they scroll down to the latest comments where mods for sure havent edited it last inputs. I mean ****, being bad at internet is one thing, but intentionally throwing yourself into the fire if youre a spoilernit is reddit level of the walking dead circlejerk -tard.
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03-27-2016 , 09:22 AM
liked it more than JJ, but a bit less than S1
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03-27-2016 , 07:48 PM
I cannot believe they couldn't get someone who had seen most of a SVU episode or something to script doctor the comically bad law-stuff in the middle of this season.

Everything about the
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Evil DA's plan and the ensuing trial


makes no ****ing sense.

Foggy is so dumb and so bad that making a subplot about him was bad enough, but then that the writing of the actual plot is bad? And hell, they didn't really need any of it given where all the relevant characters end up afterwards.
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03-28-2016 , 01:22 AM
Alright now I've finished it and while eps 1-5 or so were great the last half of it was like a bad Arrow knockoff.

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It's just a bunch of stuff that happens. The Punisher and Black Sky plots are completely disconnected, not just from each other but also internally, there's no real rhyme or reason to what happens. And then the Foggy stuff is all from a much, much worse show which has dream sequence logic.


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There's also a bunch of weird things like, OK, this is the Punisher's origin story. Gotcha. But he doesn't get his costume until episode 13? And it seems like we're supposed to be all "oh wow now he has guns" when he finds that inexplicable shack of guns,but he already apparently had pretty easy access to weapons. Was that scene originally intended to be much earlier?


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I can't believe the actress who played Karen didn't object when given her shooting script each day. I would've keyed the writer's car, wtf.


The action was legitimately great, the acting ranged from acceptable to very good, and the production design was incredible for TV, but yikes the dialogue and characterization was just all over the place. And there were a lot of scenes that legitimately make me concerned that the people who make this show are seriously disconnected from reality.

Just a non-spoiler example: the people on this show heal quicker from serious injuries than Wolverine, with one notable (partial) example whose makeup just indicates that the whole season takes place over a couple of weeks.

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03-29-2016 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Alright now I've finished it and while eps 1-5 or so were great the last half of it was like a bad Arrow knockoff.

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It's just a bunch of stuff that happens. The Punisher and Black Sky plots are completely disconnected, not just from each other but also internally, there's no real rhyme or reason to what happens. And then the Foggy stuff is all from a much, much worse show which has dream sequence logic.


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There's also a bunch of weird things like, OK, this is the Punisher's origin story. Gotcha. But he doesn't get his costume until episode 13? And it seems like we're supposed to be all "oh wow now he has guns" when he finds that inexplicable shack of guns,but he already apparently had pretty easy access to weapons. Was that scene originally intended to be much earlier?


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I can't believe the actress who played Karen didn't object when given her shooting script each day. I would've keyed the writer's car, wtf.


The action was legitimately great, the acting ranged from acceptable to very good, and the production design was incredible for TV, but yikes the dialogue and characterization was just all over the place. And there were a lot of scenes that legitimately make me concerned that the people who make this show are seriously disconnected from reality.

Just a non-spoiler example: the people on this show heal quicker from serious injuries than Wolverine, with one notable (partial) example whose makeup just indicates that the whole season takes place over a couple of weeks.
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Punisher in the generals shed was meant to convey he had completed his mission and had no idea what to do next, then the prisoners line about his work never being complete is proven correct by fate.

I think.

It doesn't really work without dialogue. But I think that is where they were going with fate reinforcing what Frank should do next.

Oh and yeah it was super weird how the show suddenly switched from Punisher stuff that was awesome to Black Sky stuff that didn't work right. It was such a jarring moment with no overlap or connection and ultimately Frank head shotting a few hand at the end doesn't connect them or make him important, it forces the connection.

They could have easily had a more organic connection by moving Franks revenge up to ep 9 or 10, have the Hand run over DD and Elektra at modified hospital and hostage scenes then have Karen ask for Frank to help which adds depth to her as she realises Frank is a necessary weapon in the right fight and he can make a huge difference fighting alongside DD and Elektra. Minigun beats ninja sword.
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03-29-2016 , 06:22 PM
9 episodes in. It's good but S1 was better, in large part due to Wilson Fisk. They've upped the violence in S2 but that doesn't make the show more mature. It feels like they're really spelling out the moral/ethical dilemmas this season with a total lack of subtlety.
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03-29-2016 , 07:44 PM
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9 episodes in. It's good but S1 was better, in large part due to Wilson Fisk. They've upped the violence in S2 but that doesn't make the show more mature. It feels like they're really spelling out the moral/ethical dilemmas this season with a total lack of subtlety.
That is one of the biggest flaws.

To be clear, the second half is also just legitimately not good television, it's sub-Arrow/Flash level. But the more annoying thing is that it appears to want to tackle some pretty heavy moral issues about vigilantism and revenge and the duality of man, but the way it decides to tackle that is a whole bunch of bunch monologues that don't really make you think or give you any insight into the characters or anything.
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03-30-2016 , 07:33 AM
Daredevil not wanting to kill no matter what is really getting on my nerves. They should have the "to kill or not" dilemma in an actual situation where killing isn't needed, like when he is fighting the average gangster not some Ninja that was trying to kill him.

Foggy, I don't see how he is so upset at Matt, Matt is freaking Daredevil. If my best friend was some super super badass I would be so on board, not being mad he lied because of some superhero **** superheros have to do.
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03-30-2016 , 08:13 PM
I'm three episodes into Season 1. It's decent so far, but the acting is so terrible. Every line seems like people are reading them and every emotion seems fake and forced.
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03-31-2016 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rooksx
9 episodes in. It's good but S1 was better, in large part due to Wilson Fisk. They've upped the violence in S2 but that doesn't make the show more mature. It feels like they're really spelling out the moral/ethical dilemmas this season with a total lack of subtlety.
You mean the beginning with Frank standing in front of the flag wasn't subtle?
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04-01-2016 , 03:19 PM
Froggy talking those two guys out of fighting was the cringiest **** that ever cringed. I hope that took multiple takes and he was fully aware of how bad it was the entire time.
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04-01-2016 , 04:44 PM
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I'm three episodes into Season 1. It's decent so far, but the acting is so terrible. Every line seems like people are reading them and every emotion seems fake and forced.
I think the real culprit is the bad dialogue that they're forced to say.
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04-02-2016 , 03:03 AM
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Froggy talking those two guys out of fighting was the cringiest **** that ever cringed. I hope that took multiple takes and he was fully aware of how bad it was the entire time.
Don't be so quick, there, cringe factor was extremely high when Foggy went to the biker bar and during Foggy's big moment at the trial.

Seriously some of this was so bad. Do you think the guest actors they brought in for those scenes kept cracking up? Probably had to clear the set like they do for nude scenes by A level stars. At the very least they made fun of Foggy after the shoot.
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04-02-2016 , 03:16 AM
Oh Jesus, it'd be so uncomfortable witnessing that first hand. Maybe it's all a big setup for next season and someone will jam a fork in his eye in the middle of one of his speeches.
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04-02-2016 , 11:42 AM
Finished it. The Hand storyline wasn't great, wasn't terrible, just fairly standard comic-book drivel. There were however some good action sequences with DD fighting opponents who were somewhat of a challenge. There were too many fights against hopeless scrubs earlier in the season.
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04-02-2016 , 02:26 PM
Foggy is impressively terrible, but even worse are the people who pretend he's not objectively hurting the quality of the show.

"Foggy is the presence that keeps things from going into full on depressing in both the comics and the show. He's more than just comic relief, he's one of the few things that keeps Matt from going over the edge. He humanizes Matt."



I hope Kingpin wastes Foggy from his prison cell. That way we can be rid of the character for good, and also send a cute message to Mr. Murdock that maybe he should re-visit the "no kill" policy of his.
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