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Of course this is a valid opinion, but wow, it seems like we're still so far from that happening. The last time Hank saw Walt, he called him Mr Magoo!

When you know a guy for 10-15 years, and he presents himself as an honest, hard-working family man/wimp, it's not so trivially easy to overcome your image of him and start suspecting him of being something else entirely. Think back to Hank investigating the missing lab equipment at the high school--the one thing he took for a given was that NO WAY Walt would have anything to do with such nonsense. All of Walt's suspicious behavior during that visit flew right over Hank's head, and Hank is a damned good cop.

Wow, you had to play the Richardson card this week? On Sepinwall's blog, we're discussing the "Childish Things" episode of DW, which features my favorite Richardson/Farnum exchange:

Richardson: May I go out to watch the bicycle?

EB: Watch the earth yielding up it’s dead, so long as it’s not near me.

richardson/farnum scenes are so awesome.

07-26-2012 , 09:29 PM

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Walt wasn't even responsible for Ted being in the hospital. Skylar was the one who sent those guys into Ted's house.
Walt had nothing to do with Ted whatsoever imo. Except when he tilted a little after the dude slept with hes wife.
White found out this season what happened to the guy.

walt has EVERYTHING to do with Ted being in the hospital.

if walt was not cooking meth, Skylar just turns on Ted or just hopes the audit doesn't reveal anything.

since walt is cooking meth, she has to go to extreme measures.

07-26-2012 , 10:00 PM

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Could it be that Skyler likes being raped? Like in a role-playing thing.

"You be the big bad meth kingpin, and I'll be the frightened house wife"
"Is the safe-word still lasagna?"

07-26-2012 , 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nath

Oh I have some relatively non-specific speculation on Walt and the machine gun

Spoiler:

07-26-2012 , 10:46 PM

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There's a difference between having to do with and being responsible. Ted being where he is is 95% Skyler's fault. Skyler's still responsible for her stupid reactions to a problem she created, even though she wanted to hide Walt's activity. She should have not committed fraud with Ted, simple as that. But she did.

07-26-2012 , 11:40 PM

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true or false

If Walt was just some lowly high school teacher, Ted would NOT be in the hospital right now.

07-26-2012 , 11:46 PM

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Is Walt responsible for the plane crash?

07-26-2012 , 11:49 PM

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Saul Goodman is more responsible for Ted's condition than Walt is. You can play the blame game all day but when it comes down to it, Ted is mostly to blame with some falling on Skylar.

07-27-2012 , 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake7777

Talk about a stretch, now she was "in agony?" Maybe you got the extended version.

Her two scenes implied that she stayed in bed the entire day. She didnt even join them for dinner. Yes she is in agony. Is it really so hard to see that she was incredibly distraught and agonized?

I didn't get an extended version, I'm just able to see what the hell is going on. whereas you hypothesize that Skylar is not afraid to say no to her husband, even after she explicitly states that she is terrified of him in episode one.

Well done.

07-27-2012 , 12:13 AM

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Rape discussion besting the cheque discussion in the Newsroom thread for dumbest thing ever debated on 2+2.

07-27-2012 , 12:18 AM

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I agree, if the idiots would concede Im right, we can move on.

07-27-2012 , 12:57 AM

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Is Walt responsible for the plane crash?

is that the whole point of the plane crash.

walts actions have consequences

07-27-2012 , 01:05 AM

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Saul Goodman is more responsible for Ted's condition than Walt is. You can play the blame game all day but when it comes down to it, Ted is mostly to blame with some falling on Skylar.

There are lots of proximate causes of Ted's condition; his rug placement, Bill Burr, Saul, Skylar etc., but I agree with others that the point of all of it is that Walt is the actual cause.

I think Skylar is breaking bad in her own way too though, and a lot of her emotion is intense guilt over her own indiscretions and willingness to go along with Walt. She's a pretty crappy person in her own right, and would be in jail if she didn't A) have Walt's money to pay off the IRS with and B) have a dirty lawyer whom she felt she could go to for henchmen.

07-27-2012 , 02:07 AM

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I agree, if the idiots would concede Im right, we can move on.

For sure Skylor had some unconsensual sex. That doesn't mean Walt is guilty of rape.

07-27-2012 , 02:29 AM

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For sure Skylor had some unconsensual sex. That doesn't mean Walt is guilty of rape.

I was going to argue with this (or at least disagree with it), but when I looked up the legal definition of rape in my state, then if all I had for evidence was the videotape that we watched then I would have a difficult time prosecuting it.

With that said, the fact that there's a legal defense available for Walt doesn't possibly exonerate him morally.

07-27-2012 , 02:33 AM

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Yeah like if Skyler shows up at the ABQ DA with the last two minutes of this episode they would say lol GTFO.

But the fact that I think that Walt is clearly not guilty of rape doesn't mean he's not a psychopath. But the truth of the matter is if Skyler said "WALT STOP" Walt would have stopped. For sure.

07-27-2012 , 02:41 AM

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Umm, the last time she basically said "WALT STOP," the only reason the situation stopped was because junior came home. And he was way less far gone then. So I'm not sure why you're saying "for sure."

07-27-2012 , 02:48 AM

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Umm, the last time she basically said "WALT STOP," the only reason the situation stopped was because junior came home. And he was way less far gone then. So I'm not sure why you're saying "for sure."

That wasn't my impression of the scene. He stopped because she told him to stop.

Skyler saying "Walt no" and then Walt saying **** it and raping her is a pretty major departure for Walt's character. There is no way he would do that.

07-27-2012 , 02:49 AM

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I'm convinced half of the people in this thread know each other and jump on Skype once a week to discuss, "How can we AIDS up the BB thread this week?".

07-27-2012 , 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by econophile

"there is gold in the streets just waiting for someone to come and scoop it up."

reference to treasure of the sierra madre?

That would be cool if it's true.

I remember there were three guys sharing the gold, and I remember that Bogart went nuts, became paranoid his partners were out to fleece him, and pretty much ruined everything for everybody. So that much could fit here.

Am I missing anything? Was there a line about gold waiting to be scooped up that I'm forgetting?

07-27-2012 , 03:52 AM

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It reminded me of Alec Baldwin in Glen Garry Glen whatever. "They're sitting out there waiting to give you their money...are you going to take it?"

07-27-2012 , 04:07 AM

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It reminded me of Alec Baldwin in Glen Garry Glen

Ross

07-27-2012 , 05:24 AM

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If Walt was just some lowly high school teacher, Ted would NOT be in the hospital right now.

You are right, but i think it's way too wide range to put him responsible for it.

If a guy robs a supermarket for some bread you can't say it was supermarket's fault that hey have so damn high prizes that people have to do crime to survive.
Everything is connected in this world, that doesn't make one instantly responsible for something imo.

07-27-2012 , 05:34 AM

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Sklyer slept with Ted and also gave him all of their money. Then her and Saul conspired to strong arm Ted leading to him becoming crippled/almost dead.

Sklyer is definitely being made way too much a victim here. She bought a car wash using some pretty shady tactics and drug money and is pretty much in this just like Walt.