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07-23-2012 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TimM
They should have established how Mike knew they were having trouble getting methylamine.

Also, they could have synthesized the methylamine themselves. Looks like a pain in the ass but definitely not a show stopper:

http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodiu....chemhack.html
Even in-universe, the cartel chemist says any sophomore could synthesize methylamine.
07-23-2012 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
They are also doing a great job with the cinematography framing Walt as the bad guy this season with the close ups, off camera speeches, and angles used.
The lighting in the dishwashing scene was fit for a supervillain too.

Hate to rehash it but is this where we stand on the poisoning?
What happened: Walt has Saul's guy steal Jesse's cigarette, then poisons Brock with the berries.
What Walt wanted Jesse to think: Gus stole the cigarette, then poisoned Brock with it, to make Jesse think Walt poisoned the kid with the ricin.
What Jesse has to think now: He lost the cigarette on his known. Gus never knew about the ricin or that Jesse lost it, but Gus just decided to poison Brock with berries anyway, still trying to frame Walter.
Not seeing how it can make any sense to Jesse here.

Final scene should convince some Walter apologists that he's a complete monster at this point. I've thought of him as mainly a villain from the start. The bed speech reminded me of the scene from S1 or S2 when he shows the newborn all the cash he has stored in the wall, telling the baby "I did this for you." He's convinced himself that's true, but from the beginning we know he passed on the money from his former partner because of pride. It's never been about helping his family.
07-23-2012 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by econophile
Even in-universe, the cartel chemist says any sophomore could synthesize methylamine.
In that scene they are talking about phenylacetic acid, not methylamine. Methylamine is supposed to be pretty rare and expensive, as seen after they steal the barrel from that warehouse. When Jesse can't pay for the RV to be stored and the guy tries to sell his equipment, he is quoted some exorbitant price for the barrel of methylamine right before Jesse busts the RV out. It is doubtful that it would cost so much if it were easily found or synthesized.
07-23-2012 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by barrymanilow
+1. The final scene is obv supposed to mirror the scene where Walt has sex with Skyler after the RV shootout. In that scene Skyler is surprised in a good way: "Walt! Is that YOU?" In this scene she's on the brink of tears, not getting out of bed, but Walt goes ahead and takes what he wants anyway without any regard at all for what she wants. It's not that he doesn't know she's feeling bad, it's that he doesn't care. I won't derail with the R word but Walt is def going full psychopath.
The "R word" is "Rape" and I don't think it's a derail at all, nor needed to abbreviate (because that's exactly what's happening ldo). The only thing I'm not so sure of is whether or not he knows she's feeling bad, or, to put it better, *IF* he knows she's feeling bad, why that might be the case.

You say it yourself, he's going full psychopath. I can see a LOT of sociopathy as well in his behavior, and the one thing all sociopaths have in common is lack of any empathy whatsoever.

Doesn't make it less of a rape obviously, even if he actually thinks he's having sex with his loving wife (that he just yesterday has forgiven for ****ing her former boss).
07-23-2012 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
The lighting in the dishwashing scene was fit for a supervillain too.

Hate to rehash it but is this where we stand on the poisoning?
What happened: Walt has Saul's guy steal Jesse's cigarette, then poisons Brock with the berries.
What Walt wanted Jesse to think: Gus stole the cigarette, then poisoned Brock with it, to make Jesse think Walt poisoned the kid with the ricin.
What Jesse has to think now: He lost the cigarette on his known. Gus never knew about the ricin or that Jesse lost it, but GusY just decided to poison Brock with berries anyway, still trying to frame Walter.
Not seeing how it can make any sense to Jesse here.

Final scene should convince some Walter apologists that he's a complete monster at this point. I've thought of him as mainly a villain from the start. The bed speech reminded me of the scene from S1 or S2 when he shows the newborn all the cash he has stored in the wall, telling the baby "I did this for you." He's convinced himself that's true, but from the beginning we know he passed on the money from his former partner because of pride. It's never been about helping his family.
I think to Jesse the whole thing was an accident. Brock ate the plant himself and neither Gus nor Walt had anything to do with it.
07-23-2012 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sirluckbox
2nd picture is suppose to be some kind of camera? if so it's pretty obvious for anyone in the house
Looks like the window locking knob, or a big bug on the glass.
07-23-2012 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sirluckbox
Yeah i don't really get it either, the first one is kind of obvious but meh.

2nd picture is suppose to be some kind of camera? if so it's pretty obvious for anyone in the house

3rd picture kind of looks like it is a tv screen looking in on the room, but I can't tell if it was a shot actually taken with a camera of their tv because of that amc hd sign in a different position. (im going to go watch this part again)
i guess that is a fly in the second picture

no idea what the third picture is
07-23-2012 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mikechike
Final scene should convince some Walter apologists that he's a complete monster at this point. I've thought of him as mainly a villain from the start. The bed speech reminded me of the scene from S1 or S2 when he shows the newborn all the cash he has stored in the wall, telling the baby "I did this for you." He's convinced himself that's true, but from the beginning we know he passed on the money from his former partner because of pride. It's never been about helping his family.
I pretty much agree with all of this, these two scenes are eerily similar. However I want to point out one rather important thing:

accepting charity* ≠ dealing Crystal Meth

at least for someone who is as obsessed with being "The Provider" as much as Walt is.

*remember how he used that word (charity) in a previous season like it was cancer, AIDS, the plague and syphilis all in one?

EDIT: You are right obviously, in the end it comes down to pride, but Walt 100% got into all that for the sole reason of believing he'd die soon and wanting to provide some financial security for his family for when he's gone.
07-23-2012 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TimM
Looks like the window locking knob, or a big bug on the glass.
The 2nd pic has a fly circled. The assassin clearly waves a fly away when he's sitting down and it's easy to see it buzzing around. There is nothing on the window or the curtains, imo. But, I don't know why the picture is posted in the first place.
07-23-2012 , 10:47 AM
Also, Walter ain't cooking no fish. Sheesh.
07-23-2012 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Miamipuck
"No more half measures Walter"

Uh oh, Mike messed up.
Juts came here to post this. Mike leaving a half measure is going to bite him big at some point
07-23-2012 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by capncook
That episode was unbelievably good.
+1. This is my favorite episode in the whole series so far.
07-23-2012 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Juts came here to post this. Mike leaving a half measure is going to bite him big at some point
Big enough to need an M60?

But no, it's probably for Walt, I don't think Mike would need a manual.
07-23-2012 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
The "R word" is "Rape" and I don't think it's a derail at all, nor needed to abbreviate (because that's exactly what's happening ldo). The only thing I'm not so sure of is whether or not he knows she's feeling bad, or, to put it better, *IF* he knows she's feeling bad, why that might be the case.

You say it yourself, he's going full psychopath. I can see a LOT of sociopathy as well in his behavior, and the one thing all sociopaths have in common is lack of any empathy whatsoever.

Doesn't make it less of a rape obviously, even if he actually thinks he's having sex with his loving wife (that he just yesterday has forgiven for ****ing her former boss).
His little monologue before he gets into bed makes it clear he knows she's hurting.

I didn't actually say "rape" because some people on 2+2 have strange perspectives on the definition, but I agree with you: at the end of the episode we see Walt have sex with Skyler when she clearly doesn't want to and is too afraid/messed up to object. So imo we watched Walt (begin to) rape Skyler.

Separate topic: Saul knows a lot about the ricin cigarette situation and will eventually tell Jessie, probably in the hope that Jessie will kill Walt. This will be right around the time that Walt makes it obvious that Saul's days are numbered. This will be very close to the end of the series - I believe that because I believe Saul makes it out alive.

Last edited by barrymanilow; 07-23-2012 at 11:07 AM.
07-23-2012 , 11:03 AM
show is so good because we're 14 episodes from the end and it could end in soooo many ways. just, from the someone running to the cops standpoint you have:

skylar: obv afraid of walt for her family
jesse: finds out what walt did to brock and gives in
saul: somehow he gets connected by the DEA and rolls immediately so he can skip town
mike: can't make the cash he needs, tries to get a deal
ted: rolls on skylar... could be a precursor to saul getting implicated
lydia: she's on edge already

pretty much everybody who is NOT ON METH could run to the cops at this point. and that's not even considering the cancer returning (which, not really in doubt at this point) or the cartel's coming for revenge or walt going devil's rejects on everyone.

just so many possibilities.

+1 to bringing back badger and skinny pete. i wanna know what steps they're on.
07-23-2012 , 11:33 AM
That last scene is making lean towards Skylar as the one who starts Walt's downfall. She'll breakdown to Marie, then Hank will step in and she'll let it all out.

Hank has some great facial expressions and a closeu on his face as he's told who Walt really is would be outstanding.
07-23-2012 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TimM
Big enough to need an M60?

But no, it's probably for Walt, I don't think Mike would need a manual.
yeah but does mike need an m60 ? didnt he take out like 10 people at chows factory .


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Originally Posted by barrymanilow

Separate topic: Saul knows a lot about the ricin cigarette situation and will eventually tell Jessie, probably in the hope that Jessie will kill Walt. This will be right around the time that Walt makes it obvious that Saul's days are numbered. This will be very close to the end of the series - I believe that because I believe Saul makes it out alive.
i see this happening as well ,

Last edited by Jzo19; 07-23-2012 at 11:42 AM.
07-23-2012 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Juts came here to post this. Mike leaving a half measure is going to bite him big at some point
Here's that Mike/Walt "no more half measures" scene.

So powerful....

Yeah fairly obvious that this will be the 2nd time a half measure will haunt Mike.


Last edited by Pippen33; 07-23-2012 at 11:58 AM.
07-23-2012 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by barrymanilow
I believe Saul makes it out alive.
Saul has to make it out alive, hes the only one with any morals.
07-23-2012 , 12:02 PM
Mike's description about the girl from that half measures clip sounds a lot like Skylar right about now
07-23-2012 , 12:06 PM
I thought Mike was going back into business so he can get his guys some money. He knows with their assets frozen it's only a matter of time that they roll over on him, so his options there are to kill all of them or go into business with Walt. It's a hit-on-16 kind of choice - but this way leaves him with the possibility of providing for his grandchild.
07-23-2012 , 12:12 PM
Wait did I just read "Saul's the only one with any morals?"
07-23-2012 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bbfg
It's really hard to get to 11 people before 1 flips. Once they start hearing people are getting dropped for not talking, what the **** do you expect them to do?
Chow and Chris are already dead... so what is the plan now? go tell everyone that nobody else will be harmed? ...
07-23-2012 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
You are stating speculation as fact.
lol @ saying that Gus was a homosexual is speculation. Sometimes filmmakers like to do things subtly but their implications are made clear. Did you think Gilliam was just faking us out? Let's see: no evidence at all that Gus is straight and clear implications that he is gay. I know! It's a mystery!

You can tell the people who are new to watching good tv shows. The crap they normally watch has no subtly and explains everything to them in BOLD so on another tv show Gus will open mouth kiss a dude and go 'I am so gay for you' at which point Sugar Nut will be like "Oh okay. He is gay."

Last edited by CaliBobby; 07-23-2012 at 12:36 PM.
07-23-2012 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliBobby
lol @ saying that Gus was a homosexual is speculation. Sometimes filmmakers like to do things subtly but their implications are made clear. Did you think Gilliam was just faking us out? Let's see: no evidence at all that Gus is straight and clear implications that he is gay. I know! It's a mystery!

You can tell the people who are new to watching good tv shows. The crap they normally watch has no subtly and explains everything to them in BOLD so on another tv show Gus will open mouth kiss a dude and go 'I am so gay for you' at which point Sugar Nut will be like "Oh okay. He is gay."
And he'd be wearing a pink kerchief with matching clogs.

      
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