So supposed full descriptions of all of the final episodes have showed up on Reddit and TWoP. Rian Johnson says they're all bull****, but if they are, it's some pretty damn good fan fic. I would think if they were real then no one involved with the show would comment at all and that it would have picked up some more media attention by now, but they definitely make for an interesting read if spoilers are your thing.

Ummm skylar is about the least sympathetic character in the whole show IMO.

I do agree with Marie becoming more likeable

skylar has become really likable after one re-watch(despite her annoying double chin)

Not there yet on my re-watch, but was there any indication that Gus was actually going to Kill Walt before Walt started acting out (beginning with asking for Gale's removal)? I hear what some of you all are saying, but it seems to be a huge stretch to think that Gus planned all along to kill Walt.

Walt poisoned a kid, horribly manipulated Jesse to the point of emotional ruin, and pulled his family into a disastrous tailspin. He had plenty of outs, but his ego sealed a terrible fate for Skyler and both his kids. Skyler may have been a domineering bitch, but she's plenty sympathetic these last couple seasons. Certainly more so than Walt at this point.

Cashy,

agree, completely. Re-watching it I forgot how much I hated Marie.

Not all that necessary, but it's kinda weird that there hasn't been a full-fledged promo for 5BE1 yet. Don't need it, I'm sure I'd watch it, but every little fix helps. They've been promo'ing the **** outta this for awhile anyway, so like I said, not necessary. But I would like just a taste.

Part of how I justify my hatred of Walt is that his love of Jesse (and yes, he does love Jesse...even scumbags are capable of love) is an entirely selfish one. He loves Jesse, and loves having him around, because Jesse is, for the most part, everything he wants - he wants someone who's ultimately compliant and does what he says (something Walt admits to Gus when asked "why him?"), who fulfills his desire to always be the smartest man in the room, and has the right combination of insecurity and ambition to make him just as motivated as Walt is to make money selling meth.

Without Jesse, Walt would have to do his dirty work himself. He'd have to talk to the drug dealers and methheads he so despises. He'd have to get in real fights and try to intimidate people and do his own murdering. He'd also have only himself to blame when it all went wrong. When Jesse leaves the business and Todd takes over, Walt stops enjoying it. It's not the same without Jesse. Todd is smart, proactive, and hardworking - everything Jesse wasn't when he and Walt first started cooking. Walt doesn't get to feel a sense of control over Todd, because Todd sits back and takes instructions willingly. Jesse is the student who Walt gives a 56 on an assignment, who pleads for a 60 and Walt tells him to GTFO - Todd is the kid who sits in the corner and pays attention. That kid makes Walt's life easier, but he never really feels like he personally has taught them anything, and that's what he craves.

Finally, though, you know how I know Walt doesn't really care about Jesse, any more than an abusive father cares about his son? He killed Jesse's girlfriend. Then he manipulated Jesse into breaking up with his next girlfriend. He poisoned Jesse's girlfriend's son, a kid Jesse cared about. He killed Mike, a man Jesse respected. And with all of these horrible things he's done, he's lied to Jesse about all of them. Not once has he put Jesse above himself. That, ladies and gentlemen, is why I refuse to believe Walt's concern for Jesse is unselfish.

Same here--paid for Amazon 2 wks ago. Oh well.

She's the mother of a son with cerebral palsy, who's having another baby she can't afford. She's given up her dream of being a writer in order to take care of her family. Her husband is diagnosed with terminal cancer. Her sister is a kleptomaniac. All of a sudden, her husband starts disappearing seemingly at random, with no explanation. Then, she finds out he's a meth cook who makes millions of dollars a year, but is putting the entire family at risk. Somewhere in amongst all this, she's expected to make decisions that affect her children's future.

Is she perfect? Of course not. But even forgetting Jesse and Walt, is she more sympathetic than Gus the murderous meth kingpin, Tuco the crazy methhead, Saul the cockroach, Mike the hitman, or even Ted the arrogant tax cheat? OF COURSE SHE ****ING IS.

If I were you I'd take a serious look at my moral code, or the way I perceive women, because something is really very wrong with what you said.

better morals do not automatically make a character more sympathetic for the viewer.
the viewer usually is rooting for characters he can identify with and rooting against characters w/ features similar to people he hates in the real world(like a boss for example)

I like Walter due to his superior intelligence, his analytical way of approaching problems and how he does not take **** from people(anymore)

I don't like badger because he is a stupid, undisciplined clown who lets people walk over him at any opportunity

Well, sure, people can like whoever they want to like and relate to whoever they relate to, but there's a difference between "I sympathise with X" and "X is a sympathetic character". If he'd said "I don't sympathise with Skyler" then I'd have left it alone, but I stand by the assertion that believing Skyler to be the least sympathetic character in the entire show is pretty messed up, since there are plenty of things that happen to her that are clearly designed to earmark her as a sympathetic character for many viewers.

It'd be nice to have an ending where the bad guy wins.

I think that's guaranteed, isn't it? I mean, who's the good guy? I guess it's Hank, but who knows how 'good' he'll be by the end of this half-season...

Anyone know how to watch this if you're not in the US??

Press the red button in the middle.

search for it on youtube

i saw it on the bbc site earlier this week

you don't miss anything. just some pretentious crap.

Dam, I like Badger more than Evil Walt. Guess I have strange sympathies.

When the show starts she is giving her husband half hearted handjobs for his birthday and selling stuff on ebay and NOT WRITING and NOT WORKING!! She chooses not to write because she is either lazy, not good at it or just doesn't want to do it. I don't see anything stopping her from pursuing this if she really wanted to. If anything the show suggests writing is a passing fancy of someone who doesn't have anything better to do, but nice lol argument.

And how does she respond? By passively aggressively ignoring them or acting in completely destructive ways (smoking and working while pregnant) until she gets what she wants. She makes both situations worse because of her control issues while putting her unborn child at risk...

Lol and she responds by going to the cops and protecting her fam... oh wait... she responds by (once again) trying to control walt through passive aggressive actions (ie sleeping with Ted) that lead to his agreeing to buy the car wash and cut her in so she can control the criminal activity that is now paying for her life.

Then she doctors Ted's books, because...??? she thinks he's cute?

Then she almost has Ted killed

She's less sympathetic than them because those characters (save mike, jesse and maybe walt) are all basically insane psychopaths. Skylar knows better, she is smart and basically sniffs walt out from the get go. But she chooses to try and control the situation passive aggressively rather than actually protect her family when she claims that's all she wants to do.

Walt and Jesse and Mike make no bones about their motives. Walt and Mike are basically i will stop at nothing to provide for my family. Jesse wants madstacks and quite frankly is easy to sympathize with because of his lol parents and the fact he develops a conscience throughout the show.

Skylar's motive is to control walt and as many people around her as possible, she wants out, but only on her terms. It's like she has been dealt a ****ty hand but refuses to fold and just keeps shoving chips in the middle. Except the chips are her kids lives.

lol after reading this im not shocked you sympathize with her

very cool.. he is great in Under the Dome

Rewatching season 3. I now remember why so many of us hate Skylar. She shows nothing but distain for Walt, at first for thinking he deals weed, but continues after she finds out he's actually a meth cook. But OTOH she adores Ted, whom she knows is embezzling tens of thousands of dollars. I know it's common to view white collar crime as tame, but she even describes Ted to her attorney as a 'good person' and 'lovely man'. dafaq? no, he's a thief.

I'm not going to continue this conversation, because if you think passive-aggressive behaviour and half-hearted handjobs are worse than drug dealing and murdering then attempting to have a rational conversation is obviously not going to work. Your perception of the show's history is alarmingly warped.

to be fair there are few things in life more tilting than a half-hearted handjob. I don't have much experience of drug dealing and murder though.

Lol'ed at the above, WP LO.

http://www.uproxx.com/tv/2013/05/vin...-skyler-white/

From the man himself, Vince Gilligan:

if he really can't see why people don't like (early) Skylar and labels most of them misogynists then he is an ignorant moron, plain and simple.

Skylar is very authoritative/dominant and also petty-minded, characteristics a lot of people link with a boss and therefore negative feelings