conspiracy to conspire, tax avoision

littering and

Not that I can think of.

All I can say is that my gut reaction upon that shot was that the way it was framed seemed to be suggestion more about the POV than the action itself. I'm well prepared to be wrong, but I don't think it's a totally laughable idea.

I actually have little interest in that stuff and don't want to see it at all- now maybe that feeling of dread is effecting how I watched the scene, but I am not super interested in seeing Hank's investigation.

I was thinking more like "People who watched LOST are trying to look for cryptic clues in every shot," but I didn't watch LOST so I can't speak to the accuracy of that theory.

Also, just for Killa, it turns out the Colonies won their uprising after all. But in season 2 the Crown burns down the White House.

Haha, yeah, if someone could make me an 80x80 of just gomey's smile that would be great.

So I let this ep marinate in my head for awhile, and I decided I hated it! I couldn't get over the incredible # of plot holes / coincidences that were needed to precipitate the Walt vs Mike showdown.

First, what is up with Mike's lawyer / general ep timeline. After Mike gets the 5 mil he dispenses some to his granddaughter (fills up that safety box) and then does a regular drop for his legacy guys. In the span of 1 meth cook, the lawyer is back, with a wheel barrow of cash. How much time am I reasonably supposed to believe has occurred? Based on the shows time line.. it's like at max 3 days... wtf

Second, what is up with Mike's lawyer flipping in like TWO HRs. Didn't this bro go to law school? What do they have him on. This is a LEGAL nightmare for the police. Did they even have a warrant to obtain the tail? Was the evidence collected legally? Why can't he have a wheel barrow of money on him, this is 'MERICA. He can throw mountains of paper at them showing sham finances. IF HE ISNT DOING THIS, why did Mike even hire him in the first place?? Isn't this a legacy of Fring? Fring hired a lawyer that can't hold his **** together for 5 minutes? Seriously tilting. Thugs already done like 6 months, but this lawyer is like o mai gawd here is EVERYTHING AHH.

Third, what is up with a go car you can't get to yourself. Isn't that the whole point of having a go bag and ****? If **** hits the fan you get out of there. Would it have been so unrealistic for Mike to have left his go bag in that same deserted place he threw down like 10 high powered guns and other devices? No no, let's put it somewhere where it's impossible to get when the heat is on.

If you can buy all of these logistical problems that occur in the time frame in BB time in < 3 days (imo) and in show time < 15 minutes... then I guess we can get that highly UNLIKELY Walt vs Mike showdown. As already stated before, the Jesse vs Walt bringing the bag has been discussed and is also ridiculous.

All said and done, 9/10 ep for Mike keeling over.

def buying this if confirmed real lol

Don't know if its already been said, but Mike's escape in the park might be what leads hank to finally at least start to suspect WW:

Mike's lawyer calls him to set up a meeting in the park. Moments later, WW calls mike on the same cell phone to warn him that the police are coming for him.

He gets away from the police so narrowly that he actually has to leave his granddaughter behind.

The DEA is probably going to figure he got away after Walt disposes of the body, and theyre probably going to look at the phone records for mikes phone as a matter of course.

What theyll come up is a timeline that looks like this:

1. Gomez flips the lawyer and presumably runs immediately over to tell hank.
2. Hank gives the OK to reel in Mike.
3. Hank gets lawyer to call and set up a meeting at the park
4. Seconds later, some unidentified person calls mike (im assuming WW didnt use his real cell phone) to warn him and allow him to avoid capture.

Not only are they going to be able to see that mike got another call if they check his cell records, theyre probably going to be able to see that the call came from the DEA offices or the near vicinity.

So now hank has to assume that mike escaped because of a leak that happened in the DEA office in maybe like a 5 minute window when Walt happened to be there. The window has to be very small, because presumably Walt heard the news and left almost immediately to call Mike. If everything on the DEA end hadn't happened really quickly, Walt's call would have happened before the lawyer's.

Its tough to imagine him not making this connection -- at least to the point where he would now be suspicious.

See, the lawyer thing is like the dilution thing. You need to make an ENORMOUS amount of assumptions to have it count as a plot hole that he flipped.

1) You don't know what the DEA could charge him with
2) You don't know how good their evidence was
3) You've only seen the character for like 2 scenes


But if you assume they can't charge him because of your personal(and based on nothing) belief that it is legal in American to BRIBE MEMBERS OF A CRIMINAL ****ING CONSPIRACY WITH ENORMOUS SUMS OF CASH, yes, I suppose that is a "plot hole".

From what we saw, at some point the DEA decided to tail him around, then they caught him with a big bag of cash, then he flipped. Clearly there was more to this story.

haha, awesome. I would really love an animated one of the grin popping up on his face.

Also, I think the Fring organization hiring such a crappy lawyer with a poor feel for criminality is a bigger hole than said lawyer flipping.

This season has had some great moments, but I liked the show more when Walt was becoming this villain rather than now that he's there. I don't really have any specific complaints about Walt's actions so far. It just feels like they are constantly brushing up against the border of making him a cartoon character. It was only a few months ago (less?) when he risked his life to save Jessie's by killing those drug dealers. I would like to see more glimpses of that.

I didn't have any problem with Walt overhearing that conversation. I would really hate if this is how Hank finds out about him, though. That's basically the whole series and to have it hinge on a silly scene like that would be a mistake. It also undersells Hank who we have seen is a great investigator.

what in the goddamn hell

this.

Some of your points go back to my timeline points. How much time has passed... what we see on screen, no more than a couple of days right? How frequently does he make drops? Every 2 days? Why is this something that occurs more than once every 2 weeks... seriously. I get paid every 2 weeks, not that unreasonable... but all we see on screen is one cook and Hank being like, Yo tail lawyer ???? profit

How good was their evidence. Well let's think about the lawyer. This was a lawyer IMO hired by Fring (he knew of the legacy accounts that were secret...). Would Fring hire a careless lawyer? Would Fring hire a lawyer that the DEA would already have some type of evidence on? If you don't believe that Fring would, would Mike?

Then what do they see, him dropping money off in a safety deposit box? Is there no way he can skew this for legitimate means? If he got into a traffic accident and they found that much money on him, would he immediately roll on Mike???? I mean seriously, would he? Was this whole thing held together by the thinnest of strings? Mike is a guy that routinely dispenses with 50 pounds of meth a week, you think he could do better than a guy that rolls over on him in like 2 hrs.

You're right, maybe we didn't see them sweating him and Jack Bauer putting a gun to his head screaming give me Mike. There was more to the story I missed.

I'm not a lawyer, maybe someone can make this more clear for me. I'm not trying to bash BB, I really enjoy it. Just this plot line was so rushed and the sequence had to be perfectly contrived.

That's fine, just I'm not buying it. I bought a lot of the other stuff, and shrugged it off. This one just didn't sit right with me. That's my opinion and all there really is to it... but I see it as a plot hole / god in the machine.

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Other references of time:
Mike saying to take the bug out immediately (t1), Walt showing up in Hank's office to do just that (t2). A drop occurred at time 1 and before time 2.

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i am clearing being a nit here... i really do enjoy BB don't want to sound overly hostile, i just felt cheated a bit

I think it's got to be a lot longer than that just a few days. They had a board in Hank's office with a ****load of pictures of the bank. It's possible the drop we saw get busted was not the drop immediately after the one we saw with the bacon cookies.

It's not about the lawyer being careless, not only does he know he got caught with money he cannot explain, he knows there's nobody out there to keep paying people off. If he doesn't flip on Mike, one of the legacy guys will flip on everyone(including the lawyer) once the payments get missed. Only the first snitch gets the reduced sentence.

I agree that the timeline was rushed. Editing was a little weak there, just putting everything into one episode made it rush. Maybe it took Walt a couple of weeks to show up at Hank's office again. Is that so unreasonable to count as a plot hole? Aren't they kind of at the mercy of the fumigation company as to when they can cook?

I don't disagree I read more into what we are directly shown on screen.

It's quite possible that this was being set up for weeks. Just all we really see is one cook from Todd, a suggestion from Hank, and then a smiling Gomez.

Time in BB has relatively moved slow. We only progressed 1 year at one ep in the middle of this season, and that timeline had been going on since s1 correct?

Just a few observations. Either way, maybe it was the editing that didn't sit right. I was serious when I said I still thought it was a good ep in aggregate.

I heard the Whigs made a surprise entrance in S4

The last couple episodes were all rushed imo. Mike went from being awesome and seemingly outs Martin everyone to being a dumbass that leaves half measures everywhere just so they could kill him in a non-dramatic way (imo).

This is why it's ****ing stupid to have to 2 8 episode seasons. Think about how much **** has to get resolved now in the next 9 episodes, not to mention we just started basically 2 more story arcs with new kid cooking and now cooking for new distributors.

It's all gonna be rushed. While the last 3 episodes were good dramatically they didn't really go anywhere and were wasted hours in the scheme of things.

Couldnt the lawyer just say "a client whose name i am not going to say asked me to deposit this money for reasons which i cant tell you because that would break our attorney client privelege"

The show did have a pretty big scene about that when walt and jesse put a dollar in sauls pocket instead of burying him in the desert.

The lawyer seems involved in other shady stuff though such as bringing mike along to break his clients into aubmission.

Is it the lighting on his face?