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08-15-2012 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dj_mercury
...because I can't even imagine what goes through the head of a guy when he is watching a tv series or a movie to write then something like this: http://www.salon.com/2012/08/13/brea...es_everything/
The comments section below the article must have been wormholed in from some bizarro world. So much hate for the show. These are from four different posters.

"Thanks for keeping us posted about this series. I have only seen one episode of it, several seasons ago, and decided I would never, ever watch another one. You've confirmed my decision."

"This sounds like just about every other episode from this horrible show..."

"Remember: it's not what BB IS that matters; it's what it looks like.
And what it is is a pretentious pile of crap."

"Go live your life and jesus I hope its not as stupid and worthless as this show. "
08-15-2012 , 09:39 AM
Oh man:

1) Starts with a poem

2) Uses bad sportswriteresque one sentence paragraphs.

3)
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It was [Jesse] who told Young Matt Damon that no one must ever know about the theft.
That was Walt I thought?

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This truth will change all consequences, in a series that revolves around them.
All these words are spelled correctly but this is not a functional English sentence. D- see me after class.
08-15-2012 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by THE F DO
I dismissed the writer's opinions after reading this:
Why?

All he said was that the same guy who wrote that episode wrote the most recent one too.
08-15-2012 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by AEPpoker
all this discussion of "watering down" the methylamine is irrelevant to the manufacture of meth.

Its not methylamine theyre getting out of the truck. It an aqueous solution containing methylamine.

Walt is using the molar weight of the methylamine and the molar weight of the 1p2p to determine his porportions. A weaker Methylamine solution just means he will need more. Ultimately, the water doesnt matter, it all gets boiled off in the reaction anyway.

Also, its not like baking a cake, where if you screw up the porportion of the ingredients it ruins the whole thing. What happens is that you have X moles of methylamine and Y moles of 1p2p. You add a catalyst and every 1 mole of methylamine combines with about 1.5 moles of 1p2p to make meth. If you have too little actual methylamine (if your solution is too weak), the only effect is that youll have extra 1p2p that doesnt get used (and gets filtered off)
Yeah AEPpoker! Yeah Science!
08-15-2012 , 09:42 AM
Consider that carrying / moving an empty tank is far easier than one filled with methylamine. They're going to have to leave the tank buried and make repeated stops for supplies, imho.

This gives some aspect of danger to going back for refills to the crime scene multiple times.
08-15-2012 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Why?

All he said was that the same guy who wrote that episode wrote the most recent one too.
It was a little weird that he was praising the writer for the episode where Walt blew up Tuco's place with the mercury fulminate but hating on weird minor nits like "where did Mike find an empty room to interrogate Lydia?".

The "this is not meth" scene is probably the most unrealistic scene in the whole show! It's still great, but if **** like that bothers you that scene should've killed the show for you.
08-15-2012 , 09:54 AM
I didn't get how he didn't like the intro scene either, if that is confusing I don't know what to say...

I agree, the Tuco meeting was one of the most unrealistic points in the show. Parts of his article are pretty awful and seem like he's just meeting his word quota as quickly as possible before he goes to the bar, but he does make some good points.
08-15-2012 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by THE F DO
I dismissed the writer's opinions after reading this:

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“I.F.D” where Skyler “F”d her smarmy boss Ted?
Clearly just a typo. Obviously he meant "... her smarmy boss Ded?"

Whose grapefruits are these?
They're oranges, baby.
Whose oranges are these?
Ded's.
Who's Ded?
Ded's dead, baby.
Ded's dead.

Spoiler:
Or is he?
08-15-2012 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by badblood44
Consider that carrying / moving an empty tank is far easier than one filled with methylamine. They're going to have to leave the tank buried and make repeated stops for supplies, imho.

This gives some aspect of danger to going back for refills to the crime scene multiple times.
Why? fill one truck, take it where it needs to go.
08-15-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
3) That was Walt I thought?
No, Jesse gave that gay little speech after which Walt asked Todd for confirmation.
08-15-2012 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Rendle
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE 2+2 wiz kids overdub Gus and Jesse's soundbytes onto this clip.
08-15-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by theginger45
A quick look at www.missingkids.com shows that around 800,000 kids go missing every year in the US - that's more than 2,000 a day. It's a sad state of affairs, but the way you've described it here probably isn't too far from the truth. Certainly, not every missing kid would necessarily make it into the news.
And if you were to look at the actual source data:

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In 1999, an estimated 1,315,600 children met the criteria for being classified as caretaker missing, i.e., their caretakers did not know their whereabouts and were alarmed for at least 1 hour while trying to locate them. Among these missing children, an estimated 797,500 met the additional criterion for being classified as reported missing, i.e., the caretaker contacted the police or a missing children’s agency to help locate the child.

Only a fraction of 1 percent of the children who were reported missing had not been recovered by the time they entered the NISMART–2 study data. Thus, the study shows that, although the number of caretaker missing children is fairly large and a majority come to the attention of law enforcement or missing children’s agencies, all but a very small percentage are recovered fairly quickly.
You'd see that "go missing" is not anywhere as scary as people seem to think, considering how it is defined. It just means that someone called the police or an agency for help, not that something nefarious happened.

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Contrary to the common assumption that abduction is a principal reason why children become missing, the NISMART–2 findings indicate that only a small minority of missing children were abducted, and most of these children were abducted by family members (9 percent of all caretaker missing children). Close to 3 percent of caretaker missing children were abducted by a nonfamily perpetrator; among these, an extremely small number (90) were victims of stereotypical kidnapping.

The sad state of affairs is in how people abuse statistical data.
08-15-2012 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by chopstick
And if you were to look at the actual source data:



You'd see that "go missing" is not anywhere as scary as people seem to think, considering how it is defined. It just means that someone called the police or an agency for help, not that something nefarious happened.




The sad state of affairs is in how people abuse statistical data.
I can't work out if you're agreeing with me or accusing me of abusing statistical data, because we're making the exact same point. My point was that the police wouldn't go 'OMFG MISSING KID DROP EVERYTHING' because they get thousands of panicked parents reporting missing kids every year, which is exactly what that data suggests. I didn't look at the source data because I was pretty sure it was obvious what point I was making - I wasn't manipulating statistics at all, I thought it was incredibly obvious that not all of those kids who 'go missing' are kids who are lost forever.
08-15-2012 , 12:07 PM
If i am reading that correctly it suggests the opposite actually.
08-15-2012 , 12:49 PM
The consequences of shooting the kid are less likely to be in the police investigating his disappearance, and more likely to be in the effect on the group dynamic caused by everyone's reactions to it. Jesse is going to go ape****, so how Walt deals with it will be interesting.

As for the whole train heist scene, of course it stretched credibility but this show has plenty of form in throwing in unlikely situations to advance the overall plot. Walt walking into Tuco's lair, dropping some bombs and walking back out; the grieving father coming back to work and being solely responsible for a plane collision; Gus taking out the cartel with a bottle of tequilla etc. In this case, Walt and Jesse can now cook as much meth as they want without having to waste any more screen time acquiring materials. Anyone who allows themselves to be distracted by the logistics of how they were able to pull the heist off surely had a much harder time rationalising earlier events!
08-15-2012 , 12:52 PM
Yeah the point of that is not that the cops will be involved. They'll have plenty of time to get away and take care of the body.
08-15-2012 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Yeah the point of that is not that the cops will be involved. They'll have plenty of time to get away and take care of the body.
Ya, somehow I think Mike is capable of making a body disappear in the desert.
08-15-2012 , 02:00 PM
im not quite getting it why will Jesse flip out again? Why would Jesse not ''Break Bad'' himself by this time? Is his character always the same? He has seen his gf dead, the drug kid who was killed, Brock's poisoning, being a part of a massive shooting in mexico, killing a druglord.
08-15-2012 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by EZX
im not quite getting it why will Jesse flip out again? Why would Jesse not ''Break Bad'' himself by this time? Is his character always the same? He has seen his gf dead, the drug kid who was killed, Brock's poisoning, being a part of a massive shooting in mexico, killing a druglord.
lol, prolly gonna get flamed for this but the way Jesse is breaking bad is evolving to someone with Omar's conscience. If someone in the game has to die he can live with it, but he would never hurt some innocent civilian let alone a kid. Jesse will go bat**** crazy over this obviously and yes obviously this will have a major impact on the group dynamic, the thing we're discussing is to what degree the police will be involved as well.
08-15-2012 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
OMFG at the nittery and insanity in this thread.

- diluted methylamine
- guy driving a NEW truck
- lydia's house debate over what kind of house it is.


what the **** people? It's a ****ing television show, yes? If all television shows were 100% realistic there would be no television shows.
IMO the show is getting more unrealistic because it's showcasing Walt getting more bold and taking greater risks. Although none of the things he has done have been impossible. Mike is the voice of reason and experience and thus gives a base of comparison to Walts outlandish, extremely risky and at times genius solutions to problems.
08-15-2012 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dj_mercury
I knew the moment the episode finished that the sorry nitpickers would come out from their holes and question just about everything of this episode. Luckily I am not part of this category, because I can't even imagine what goes through the head of a guy when he is watching a tv series or a movie to write then something like this: http://www.salon.com/2012/08/13/brea...es_everything/
I read about a dozen lines of this annoying article.

And then.

I stopped reading.
08-15-2012 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by shredhead84
IMO the show is getting more unrealistic because it's showcasing Walt getting more bold and taking greater risks. Although none of the things he has done have been impossible. Mike is the voice of reason and experience and thus gives a base of comparison to Walts outlandish, extremely risky and at times genius solutions to problems.
This is just character development. Walt just killed a guy more dangerous than anyone he could probably have imagined before he became a meth cook. He feels invincible, and after escaping from a near-death situation he feels like his intellect and manipulation can get him out of anything, so he just does whatever the **** he wants. It would be more unrealistic if he killed Gus and then just went back to his normal life as a teacher. Murdering a drug baron should change you as a person.
08-15-2012 , 03:53 PM
I think there's this weird thing happening where the acclaim the show is getting is somehow mind****ing people into thinking that it's not a very broad, never even attempted to be realistic, slightly campy and sloppy at some points show. It's ****ing incredible at being those things- but it's not and never will be a show that gets off on it's own verisimilitude like The Wire, even if it's just as good.
08-15-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
I think there's this weird thing happening where the acclaim the show is getting is somehow mind****ing people into thinking that it's not a very broad, never even attempted to be realistic, slightly campy and sloppy at some points show. It's ****ing incredible at being those things- but it's not and never will be a show that gets off on it's own verisimilitude like The Wire, even if it's just as good.
Yeah, sometimes I wonder what some people's idea of a perfect TV show might be. The whole reason TV exists is because it's more entertaining than everyday life. I'd hate to be one of those people who just can't switch off their connection to the real world.

EDIT: Also, gotta respect a man who can use the word 'verisimilitude' in the same sentence as an expletive.
08-15-2012 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by AEPpoker
all this discussion of "watering down" the methylamine is irrelevant to the manufacture of meth.

Its not methylamine theyre getting out of the truck. It an aqueous solution containing methylamine.

Walt is using the molar weight of the methylamine and the molar weight of the 1p2p to determine his porportions. A weaker Methylamine solution just means he will need more. Ultimately, the water doesnt matter, it all gets boiled off in the reaction anyway.

Also, its not like baking a cake, where if you screw up the porportion of the ingredients it ruins the whole thing. What happens is that you have X moles of methylamine and Y moles of 1p2p. You add a catalyst and every 1 mole of methylamine combines with about 1.5 moles of 1p2p to make meth. If you have too little actual methylamine (if your solution is too weak), the only effect is that youll have extra 1p2p that doesnt get used (and gets filtered off)
This may be true but it still appears as a plot hole to those uninformed (i.e. 95% of viewership). Are they really expecting us to know the underlying chemistry behind making meth? The very fact that the episode made us question these things is a bad thing.

      
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