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08-10-2012 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
yeah Skylar explicitly said last season when Walt was saying "you wanted this" about the car wash something like "I never WANTED this. I'm dealing with this."
Exactly, but she had other ways to deal with it. She could have kept going with Holly when she went to the Four Corners and flipped the coin. She could have taken Jr. with her and told him Dad was a crook. She could have turned Walt in. She could have played dumb and done nothing to help Walt.

Skyler's made choices too, and those choices have now involved some gangster ****.
08-10-2012 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
yeah Skylar explicitly said last season when Walt was saying "you wanted this" about the car wash something like "I never WANTED this. I'm dealing with this."
Exactly. She is acting like any normal person in her situation would act. Twelve months ago she was a mild mannered housewife accountant. Today she is married to a sociopath, serial killer, and largest drug dealer in the state. She has defrauded the IRS, had an affair, is involved in his attack. Her son hates her and loves his psychopathic father. Her sisters husband was almost killed by drug lords causing her sister to start stealing. She is breaking the law every day and then having dinner with her cop brother in law who is chasing her husband and doesn't know it.

Oh ya and it all started only 12 months ago with her then loving husband almost dying of cancer and her being left destitute and pregnant.

So, umm, she has had a bad year.

Perhaps people might cut her the tiniest f*cking break for acting stressed.
08-10-2012 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Exactly. She is acting like any normal person in her situation would act. Twelve months ago she was a mild mannered housewife accountant. Today she is married to a sociopath, serial killer, and largest drug dealer in the state. She has defrauded the IRS, had an affair, is involved in his attack. Her son hates her and loves his psychopathic father. Her sisters husband was almost killed by drug lords causing her sister to start stealing. She is breaking the law every day and then having dinner with her cop brother in law who is chasing her husband and doesn't know it.

Oh ya and it all started only 12 months ago with her then loving husband almost dying of cancer and her being left destitute and pregnant.

So, umm, she has had a bad year.

Perhaps people might cut her the tiniest f*cking break for acting stressed.
I agree with this too. Part of what makes this show so awesome is that you can see both sides of it and can be convinced by every character's actions and decisions, even when they're directly at odds. Walt vs. Skyler in season 2 was very much like that.
08-10-2012 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by private joker
I agree with this too. Part of what makes this show so awesome is that you can see both sides of it and can be convinced by every character's actions and decisions, even when they're directly at odds. Walt vs. Skyler in season 2 was very much like that.
And she was recently raped.
08-11-2012 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by private joker
Well, I think Skyler's as complicated and interesting a case as anyone in the show -- she has a point in some scenes, and is maddeningly obtuse in others
Surely, I can't be the only one who read this as "obese" at first.
08-11-2012 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
, Gus' sexuality would definitely have made a difference south of the border.
... So to speak.
08-11-2012 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by crashjr
Walt Whitman was a homosexual that was blown up by an invalid rival in a nursing home. Notably, he had developed an immunity to ricin.
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Originally Posted by killa
I'm not going to do anything about it but this kind of trolling itt is what makes it near impossible to read. Yes I know you guys love to nit pick
"The Blue color of skylars has significant meaning its the same blue color of the meth that walt produces" kind of **** but sometimes...just meh
Oh come on. That was funny as hell.

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Originally Posted by chopstick
I figured it was either going to be Dominic, youtalkfunny, CaliBobby, or rabe_stark that ****ed that up.
Wait, what? What was I supossed to have done?
08-11-2012 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by brianr
I just went to test it
Spoiler:
BUT I CAN'T FIND MY CIGARETTE WITH THE RICIN IN IT.


Anyone else not buying that the main Madrigal guy isn't involved?

1. Gus's juice comes from a much more powerful source - perhaps unrelated to Madrigal at all.

2. Other than the legend at the bottom of the LPH commercial at the beginning of Kafkaesque, we first learned of ME when Hank discovered that the (filters? power circuits?) at the laundry were manufactured by them, and that they also owned LPH. It is very unlikely that both Lydia and Franch taster would be involved in both the fast food and the industrial products subsidiaries, so there's probably someone north of them in the organization that knows about the meth / is the overall kingpin. I guess Lydia could be in the industrial side actually, I dont know if we have seen any info on this.

Anyway, the more likely explanation is that the ME owner is in on this. Also if Gus's power does emanate from another source (Chilean military/Pinochet?), they're coming for Walt, and he could need that big gun to stop them.
Mike would know if this was the case and would have simply reported for duty to the "real boss" instead of signing up with Walt and Jessie. Furthermore, Lydia would have come to Mike with a more coherent, definite plan as opposed to one she cooked up on the fly and motivated by paranoia.
08-11-2012 , 11:58 AM
Once you are head of such a big company and have that much legitimate money why bother with drugs?
08-11-2012 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluegrassplayer
Once you are head of such a big company and have that much legitimate money why bother with drugs?
More money, ldo.
08-11-2012 , 04:53 PM
But if head guy is the boss of everything, why would mr. Franch off himself?
08-11-2012 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
But if head guy is the boss of everything, why would mr. Franch off himself?
I would assume the only explanation that allows for the head guy to be the boss of everything is that the operation was so huge that Franch guy was willing to kill himself to protect the others involved - either out of loyalty, or out of knowledge that they would kill him anyway and some sort of Mike-esque deal where money goes to his family.
08-11-2012 , 05:30 PM
Finally caught up. A few observations:

Mike tipped Lydia off that the DEA were about to walk into her office. While this was seemingly pointless as she had less than a minute to react, it's surely evidence that Mike has a mole within the DEA? I predicted it being the white moustached guy pre-season, but am now swinging towards Gomey.

Brock was very wary of Walt when they met in (i think) episode 3, and we never saw how Walt managed to administer the poison to the kid at the end of season 4. Walt's apparent confidence suggests he at least doesn't think the kid can blow his cover, but it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that Brock may recall seeing Walt sneaking away from his house or school at some point.

I'd be very surprised if the coughing and false identity in the precursor scene at the start of the season were not both red herrings. And I'd be amazed if the machine gun is to be used to kill anyone, it really isn't Walt's style.

The ginger kid in the pest control team who's been given a few speaking parts may have some sort of connection to a rival supplier. It's been established that these guys are all at least petty criminals, and the way this kid stepped up to ingratiate himself with Walt and Jesse suggests he either wants to become involved with them, or he wants to dig for info. I don't buy that he could be an undercover cop, that seems too much of a leap as until now the pest control team have only been involved in burglary.

Overall not entirely convinced by the rapid evolution of Scarface Walt, but I think Jesse's development as a streetwise, thinking criminal is both impressive and believable. I see Jesse as much more of a threat to Walt's long term control of the empire than Mike.

Sorry for long post, I've avoided the thread for a month and have jumped right back into it. Love this show
08-11-2012 , 06:22 PM
Watching the 7/2/12 ep of Jeopardy on my DVR just now. "Literary Adjectives" for $800:

10 letters: after the author of "A Hunger Artist", it means marked by surreal distortion.

Previous answers in the category have been "Freudian", "Faustian", and "Byronic", so I went ahead and guessed "Kafkaesque". None of the contestants rang in, which made me feel even smarter about being correct, and I silently thanked Walter White for that one.

Later in the same round, nine questions later, in a category about Famous Hungarians (previous answers included Houdini and Liszt) they asked:

"He's been called 'The Real Dr Strangelove', as well as 'The Father of the H-Bomb'."

I couldn't help myself. I guessed Heisenberg. I was incorrect. But how cool would that have been if it were correct?

(It was Edward Teller, whom I've never heard of. But I'm glad Walt didn't pick "Teller" for his pseudonym.)
08-11-2012 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

Overall not entirely convinced by the rapid evolution of Scarface Walt, but I think Jesse's development as a streetwise, thinking criminal is both impressive and believable. I see Jesse as much more of a threat to Walt's long term control of the empire than Mike.
Jessie as new Walt would be GOAT
08-11-2012 , 06:52 PM
doesnt need a mole in the DEA to tell Lydia they will be in her office in a moment, he could just be watching Lydia
08-11-2012 , 07:04 PM
I wish we'd put the mole discussion to bed once and for all.

1)A secret mole that we haven't found out about yet is kind of a cheap, hacky twist, and I think this show is better than that.
2)There is not a single thing that has happened in the show that cannot be explained without a mole.
3)If there is a mole, why didn't he inform Gus that Hector didn't say anything when he went to the DEA office?
08-11-2012 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I wish we'd put the mole discussion to bed once and for all.

1)A secret mole that we haven't found out about yet is kind of a cheap, hacky twist, and I think this show is better than that.
2)There is not a single thing that has happened in the show that cannot be explained without a mole.
3)If there is a mole, why didn't he inform Gus that Hector didn't say anything when he went to the DEA office?
I thought there was some indication of a "source in the DEA" some time last season, but I might be just making that up. I've always thought that if there is a mole of any kind, it's Gomez: Hank being lied to by the two guys closest to him would just be too perfect, and Gomez is constantly undermining Hank's detective work and downplaying his intuitions.

As for #3, the simplest reason would be that the mole was working with Mike rather than directly with Gus, and Mike was out of the picture (recuperating from a gunshot in Mexico) when everything went down with Hector. (This could also explain why Gus was having one of his guys watch the DEA entrance; his normal source of info through Mike wasn't available.)
08-11-2012 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I wish we'd put the mole discussion to bed once and for all.

3)If there is a mole, why didn't he inform Gus that Hector didn't say anything when he went to the DEA office?
yup
08-11-2012 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Watching the 7/2/12 ep of Jeopardy on my DVR just now. "Literary Adjectives" for $800:

10 letters: after the author of "A Hunger Artist", it means marked by surreal distortion.

Previous answers in the category have been "Freudian", "Faustian", and "Byronic", so I went ahead and guessed "Kafkaesque". None of the contestants rang in, which made me feel even smarter about being correct, and I silently thanked Walter White for that one.

Later in the same round, nine questions later, in a category about Famous Hungarians (previous answers included Houdini and Liszt) they asked:

"He's been called 'The Real Dr Strangelove', as well as 'The Father of the H-Bomb'."

I couldn't help myself. I guessed Heisenberg. I was incorrect. But how cool would that have been if it were correct?

(It was Edward Teller, whom I've never heard of. But I'm glad Walt didn't pick "Teller" for his pseudonym.)
Walter White didn't introduce Kafkaesque in the show as far as I know. It was Jesse's NA group leader guy thing.
08-11-2012 , 08:12 PM
Rian on set, shooting the scene when Lydia is about to interrogate Jesse before letting him into the warehouse...

08-11-2012 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
Blaming your wife's breakdown that really happened because you're a crazed megalomanical murderous psychopath on her infidelity is just a HOF dick move.
He had to blame it on something, right? Marie saw it happen, and she would not be satisfied until she got an explanation (she's been shown to be nosy/insistent I'm the past.

Also with Walt: I appreciate he's changed, but all of his actions really were designed to dig himself out of trouble. In these cases, it's either him (or those he cares about) or them. He has not shown to be wantonly violent or malicious outside of these situations.

Of course NOW, he has extracted himself (more or less) from the situation yet has deliberately chosen to get back in. This is why Grey Matter was important: he perceived that situation as someone taking from him what he properly earned, now that he has laid the groundwork to profit in the meth business (and now that his ego has become hyper-developed) he is not going to let this new opportunity pass.

Yes, Walt has changed, but not in the "full-blown psychopath" way a lot of you are saying - he is not there yet. I am sure once Skyler makes it clear that they have no future together, he will finally be headed down that road.
08-11-2012 , 10:29 PM
Out of curiosity, what would people like to see Cranston do next (besides the crappy movies he's picked). Could he ever do a comedic role again, or will this season completely take that off the table in the near future?

I watched a few youtube clips of MitM and its definitely weird seeing him as Hal now.
08-11-2012 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cobrakai111
Out of curiosity, what would people like to see Cranston do next (besides the crappy movies he's picked). Could he ever do a comedic role again, or will this season completely take that off the table in the near future?

I watched a few youtube clips of MitM and its definitely weird seeing him as Hal now.
Broadway for sure. Not sure which show, but he strikes me as someone very patrick stewart esque
08-11-2012 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Oski
He had to blame it on something, right? Marie saw it happen, and she would not be satisfied until she got an explanation (she's been shown to be nosy/insistent I'm the past.

Also with Walt: I appreciate he's changed, but all of his actions really were designed to dig himself out of trouble. In these cases, it's either him (or those he cares about) or them. He has not shown to be wantonly violent or malicious outside of these situations.

Of course NOW, he has extracted himself (more or less) from the situation yet has deliberately chosen to get back in. This is why Grey Matter was important: he perceived that situation as someone taking from him what he properly earned, now that he has laid the groundwork to profit in the meth business (and now that his ego has become hyper-developed) he is not going to let this new opportunity pass.

Yes, Walt has changed, but not in the "full-blown psychopath" way a lot of you are saying - he is not there yet. I am sure once Skyler makes it clear that they have no future together, he will finally be headed down that road.
Wow this post contains so much fail it's shocking. You really need to examine your moral compass.

      
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