That is not the only conclusion to make from the scene existing.

It could be as simple as that scene is needed for the plot to go where he wants it given the time and characters he currently has. The scene adds nothing new to her and doesn't necessarily suggest that.

Also "decide" is a manipulative word as that is clearly my opinion and not fact.

Well this is just obviously not true. She had what other characters were calling 'a breakdown'. For all we know (in the reality of the show) she could go to the cops next episode and tell them everything about Walt. It could be a pivotal moment in the season - Walt also blamed their problems on her to Marie, which will put added pressure on her to admit what's happening and make her further resent Walt. The scene was a huge moment.

It's really curious how Walt's self-obsession is often mirrored in discussions about the show - anything that doesn't involve him is rendered irrelevant.

Yea, it's just having been with Walt for 5 seasons now, seeing him at his worst and knowing how he started out, I feel like it's somewhat natural (for me at least) to want to believe there's still some semblance of humanity in him. Realistically I understand he's a monster at this point though, and I do agree that the show would be better off staying as dark and ****ed up as possible.

We all hate Marie, right? Like if you misogynists want a woman to hate, I can get on board the Marie hate train.

Yeah but they want to sex her, which I have trouble comprehending.

Oh I know

walt does not need to be controlled. society wants him controlled. smart ppl who call their own shots are the most disruptive in the macro sense. the young walt was ambitous and assured. the middle-aged one was henpecked to submission, as you grant.

but he doesn't get anything out of that. everyone else does.

i kinda agree with you about reappraising skyler as our view on walt changes. but i'm not sure why the our evaluations of the two are necessarily related.

also i think you're right that the long decades of repression are a part of why heisenberg is so nuts. that would have been an interesting angle to work from but, then, i love flashbacks (which is a part of why i love damages, i guess)

i only hate skyler because she's a dummy. given that i'm to believe seeing walt as a killer would shatter her world, she evidently chose the wrong corner. i mean, it's really obvious that a drug merchant will kill ppl.

clearly i respect strong women (as i say, i love damages)

all the money goes to them. obviously he's high on the power trip but as long as he can shield the assets, those who gain the preponderance of the benefit from his labors are sky, wj, and holly.

brandt is german for milf

Young Walt was also a huge ********** too. He basically burned every bridge he could. He was henpecked into submission because he was a terrible person on his own.

Where is Walt without Skyler? Probably dead. Maybe that is better for him.

It's possible to rationally understand that Walt is in the wrong and that he's putting Skyler in a state of emotional duress while still having a negative emotional reaction to her character. Her being a victim doesn't make her automatically likable. Most of the anti-Skyler people aren't making some objective claim that liking Skyler is wrong, just that they personally dislike her.

Nice. +1

This thread is so riddled with juvenile sexism. It's an embarrassment to 2+2.

I can't blame 'em for this. For a long time, Aida Turturro did such a great job of portraying Janice Soprano-Baccala as a gum-chewing, walk-like-a-man pig, that I was convinced that nobody was THAT good an actor, that she must be like that in real life.

Fortunately for me, I saw an interview with the guy who played Furio, and he didn't have an Italian accent! He sounded like Spicoli! I thought, "Oh. Ok then." And I stopped hating Aida.

I would so much rather see a bunch of posts on this article then the stupid subject that's being debated now.

I'm thinking a 2nd thread would be a good idea.

Turned my young roommate on to Deadwood this week. To him, the most remarkable thing about it, besides it's all-around awesomeness: "Skyler White is in it!"

this FFS

and this ad nauseaum. I cannot for the life of me understand people saying "oh you just hate Skylark because you like Walt/are rooting for him". Wat? WTF does that have to do with anything?


just because one of the TV characters a lot of people really really dislike is a woman, does not mean the reason for the hate is sexism.


Inb4 someone says Walt Jr character annoys the **** outta him then gets tarred and feathered because he clearly hates him on the basis of his being handicapped

Pretty funny how you try to prove this by explaining how Skyler's breakdown is relevant to Walt.

My bad, the hundreds of posts mocking her looks and weight and calling her imasculating are clearly coming from a place of respect for women.

LOL, reminds me of the time I was working in a hospital and had a personal problem with one of the (innumerable) gay orderlies there who simply was a massive tool. Lo and behold I was the dude that hated gay people .

oh, so we can call men ugly and fat, but when someone says that about a woman, it's sexism? Do you even know what imasculating(sic) means?




Can you please enlighten us on what exactly we can mock about female TV characters without it being called sexism?
You know what IS sexist IMHO? It's people getting butthurt when others treat women the same way they would treat men, thus NOT discriminating against them. You can't have your cake and eat it too. BITCHES

Find me a post in the Breaking Bad threads where people make fun of guys for looks. There are PAGES on Skyler being fat and ugly, and maybe one or two comments about the guys in the show. Maybe.

Well this would make sense, since men care a lot less about how other men look. A more accurate way of making the point would be wrt what kind of reaction someone gets when calling a male character dumb, as opposed to a female character.

LOL. Has anyone said they don't like a male character on the show because they're ugly and fat? No. I doubt anyone has ever said that (on 2p2, at least).

The point is, when you're unable to articulate why you don't like Skyler beyond "everything" and then you say something about her looks, you're implying that women only have aesthetic value.

i don't really recall people saying that is the reason they don't like her. The way I saw it, her uglyness and weight gain was mentioned (which there's nothing wrong with) but not in the context that people hate her because she's a fat uggo or something. Maybe, though, that was the case and I misunderstood....

I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who replied with "everything" to the question of what I find annoying about her. And I'm also more than pretty sure I didn't say anything about her looks.

As for "not being able to articulate", I've only watched the show once and I pretty much watched each season as they came out, so a lot of details are fuzzy. I'm not going to watch the whole show again just to be able to point out all the reasons why I disdain Skylight.

Like someone has already said. The character was meant to be disliked so I'm not sure what the issue is.

haha that's actually quite hilarious because:


When people were posting about her looks (the PAGES), no-one got their panties in a bunch about anyone else being sexist. So why do you mention it now?


Also, you guys are getting cause and effect all wrong. People don't hate skylar because she's ugly or whatever. They hate her, and because of that they make fun of her. Because her looks are far from perfect and because people are immature, one of the topics of making fun of her became her looks.

Reasons people have given for disliking Skyler ITT:

A. She emasculates Walt.
B. She's not attractive.
C. I just don't like her, OK?

So it's kind of hard to believe that someone who says C doesn't think it because of A and/or B without hearing some other reasons.