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08-13-2012 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.
Wat?
08-13-2012 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.
He is Navajo, not Mexican.
08-13-2012 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.
It has begun. See you guys next Sunday.
08-14-2012 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mumpfmampf
Nah I meant when Mike told him to stop the robbery because the "obstacle" had been removed and the train was just about to start rolling. And Walt was just like "We´re not done yet", putting the whole operation at a massive risk "just because he could". The kid might never even turn up if they just finish right where Mike says so.
The water didn't have a meter on it. The only way they can be sure the weight would match is if they put all the water in and take the pre-planned amount of chemical.
08-14-2012 , 02:17 AM
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I don't know how the DEA works, but I'm surprised it hasn't been discussed ITT that Hank just got promoted and is clearly very excited (the scene yesterday with the baby) about it, and if they now found out that the guy behind it all is someone Hank's seen on a daily basis and he's failed to notice it, I don't see how he doesn't get fired.
Firstly, hank doesn't see walt on a daily basis. Secondly, other than walt having lots of money (which he explained with gambling), how could Hank have known?

And thirdly, how could they fire him if he arrests walt? Yeah, ok, it took him a while, but he caught him, how does firing the guy make any sense?
Surely catching this huge meth kingpin slash murderer is going to at least be enough to keep Hank's job safe.

It's not the same thing as Hank's boss getting fired, b/c Hank's boss never actually caught on about who Frings was, it was only when he died and the lab was blown up that they put the pieces together. And to add insult to injury, Hank had been suspicious of Frings and he actually got promoted on the back of the work he had done in the blue meth case, so that coupled with him eventually being the one to apprehend the "kingpin" should be enough so that he's not too worried about getting fired even tho the kingpin is his brother in law.

Last edited by Jah Onion; 08-14-2012 at 02:29 AM.
08-14-2012 , 03:34 AM
Totally did not expect the kid to get shot. Seems like he saw the whole thing.
08-14-2012 , 07:36 AM
intense ending. wow.
08-14-2012 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Jah Onion
Firstly, hank doesn't see walt on a daily basis. Secondly, other than walt having lots of money (which he explained with gambling), how could Hank have known?

And thirdly, how could they fire him if he arrests walt? Yeah, ok, it took him a while, but he caught him, how does firing the guy make any sense?
Surely catching this huge meth kingpin slash murderer is going to at least be enough to keep Hank's job safe.

It's not the same thing as Hank's boss getting fired, b/c Hank's boss never actually caught on about who Frings was, it was only when he died and the lab was blown up that they put the pieces together. And to add insult to injury, Hank had been suspicious of Frings and he actually got promoted on the back of the work he had done in the blue meth case, so that coupled with him eventually being the one to apprehend the "kingpin" should be enough so that he's not too worried about getting fired even tho the kingpin is his brother in law.
I don't know if I buy this. Conventional narrative logic (I have no idea whether this is how it works in real life or not) usually dictates that when something serious goes wrong in law enforcement, government or some other big institution, there will be 'higher-ups' looking for someone to blame in order to take the heat off themselves. When it becomes clear that Heisenberg was operating for almost a year undetected, and that he managed to escape the in-depth investigation into Gus Fring's empire, whoever is Hank's boss is unlikely to just say, "well, dw, it was a pretty tough case to crack". Regardless of whether he actually could have done much about it, I think Hank is gonna get blamed.

Aside from that, we also have so many possibilities for Hank's character if there is a possibility of his career collapsing once he finds out about Walt that it would just seem disappointing if they didn't investigate it. Hank getting promoted has gotta be leading somewhere, and I just think it'd be too juicy a storyline for Gilligan to turn down - if Hank found out about Walt there'd be a serious list of 'pros' and 'cons' to work through before he decided whether to turn him in or not.
08-14-2012 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.
My hairbrained theory is he is the guy assigned to follow Mike. Hank said a tail would be on him so I'm guessing he was tailed to that area. I'm surprised no one here has been speculating about the tail on Mike?
08-14-2012 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
My hairbrained theory is he is the guy assigned to follow Mike. Hank said a tail would be on him so I'm guessing he was tailed to that area. I'm surprised no one here has been speculating about the tail on Mike?
If he was tailed to that area, he would have seen the whole heist IMO. I think as a viewer we're supposed to forget Hank has a tail b/c there's no way he'd move an inch outside his house without the DEA watching him.
08-14-2012 , 08:59 AM
In the prior episode hank said that they were putting together a surveillance team for mike. It's implausible that they don't already have 24/7 surveillance on him but hey nits gonna nit. I really agree with salon's write up of the episode, it was basically a macguyer-esque fantasy episode until the last 10 seconds.
08-14-2012 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by LT22
If he was tailed to that area, he would have seen the whole heist IMO. I think as a viewer we're supposed to forget Hank has a tail b/c there's no way he'd move an inch outside his house without the DEA watching him.
U mean mike?

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Originally Posted by brad2002tj
In the prior episode hank said that they were putting together a surveillance team for mike. It's implausible that they don't already have 24/7 surveillance on him but hey nits gonna nit. I really agree with salon's write up of the episode, it was basically a macguyer-esque fantasy episode until the last 10 seconds.
Yeah but how hard is it to lose a tail? Presumably mike lets them follow him when hes not up to no good then loses them for a couple hours when he has shady stuff to do like killing people and robbing trains.
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Originally Posted by theginger45
I don't know if I buy this. Conventional narrative logic (I have no idea whether this is how it works in real life or not) usually dictates that when something serious goes wrong in law enforcement, government or some other big institution, there will be 'higher-ups' looking for someone to blame in order to take the heat off themselves. When it becomes clear that Heisenberg was operating for almost a year undetected, and that he managed to escape the in-depth investigation into Gus Fring's empire, whoever is Hank's boss is unlikely to just say, "well, dw, it was a pretty tough case to crack". Regardless of whether he actually could have done much about it, I think Hank is gonna get blamed.
And also, hank will have no way of proving he didnt know all along regardless of what he does. Remember he took a bunch of money from walt (even though he doesnt know it) for his physical therapy. Remember also that he killed walts competitors, or ppl that could be seen as walts competitors (tuco and the salamanca bros) pretty publicly, and he had no really good reason to be there at least for tuco. When some govt bureaucrat looks at all this in retrospect knowing hanks brother in law was Heisenberg all along, Its the appearance of impropriety and it would definitely screw him if it ever came to light.

Even if he arrests walt, did he do it because he just discovered what he was up to, or did he do it because they were in cahoots and he lost his nerve or had a falling out with walt? He cant really prove which one way or the other.

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08-14-2012 , 09:24 AM
Given the general incompetence we've seen from everyone in the DEA besides Hank, it's not very far-fetched to think Mike is smarter than whoever they assign to tail him, if they've even done that yet.
08-14-2012 , 09:47 AM
They were "putting together a crew". Maybe you guys don't know how government agencies work, but they're pretty slow at just about everything. Not to mention that they may have to call in agents from other parts of the country.
08-14-2012 , 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.
hahahahahaha, so many lolz in one sentence.
08-14-2012 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
They were "putting together a crew". Maybe you guys don't know how government agencies work, but they're pretty slow at just about everything. Not to mention that they may have to call in agents from other parts of the country.
I did run a federal agency for five years, but maybe you are better versed at explaining to me how it is rational that a group of henchman from ABQ have time to kidnap/interrogate someone in Houston, return to NM and devise/execute a plan to rob a train, all before a federal law enforcement agency can put a surveillance team on their hottest lead info the region's largest drug manufacture and distribution network. I bet next week even more time will pass, and this incompetent DEA office will still not have placed any heat on Mike. This is only because he is integral to the story at this point and surveillance effectively puts him out of action and the storyline. In real life they would already have warrants to surveil all of his communications and have 24/7 surveillance following him.
08-14-2012 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Why do so many people who love film not understand the general basics of shooting a scene?

Azaria's reaction is not in that shot. They filmed it after, so if Pacino did, in fact, improvise that line, when it was time to shoot Azaria's reaction to it, he was not "genuinely surprised."
Michael Mann said it was an ad lib and a genuine reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56zFoJDKbPw&t=4m0s
08-14-2012 , 12:05 PM
I get what you are saying but the show would be pretty awful if we had to have a scene from "casino" every time mike wanted out of his house.

Also we just had a train heist and opened up the season using a giant magnet to erase computer harddrives. This show is not a how to guide on selling meth.
08-14-2012 , 12:16 PM
I kept thinking something was going to get messed up and Mike was going to end up killing the train guys after all.
Def did not see the kid getting shot coming. Love this show.
08-14-2012 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
Michael Mann said it was an ad lib and a genuine reaction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56zFoJDKbPw&t=4m0s
He doesn't say they filmed both shots at the same time, though, does he? Azaria is there for Pacino's CU/shot, and vice versa. Whichever angle they filmed first, was the one Azaria was genuinely surprised for. And as they usually film the bigger star's close-ups first, Azaria's CU was most likely just a reaction shot done afterwards.

Or, they were rolling two cameras.

either way, it's a great scene and a great movie.
08-14-2012 , 12:18 PM
I haven't re-watched yet (waiting for the end of the first half to marathon before the 2nd), but has anyone discovered how much of the heist the kid saw? Or is that even possible to figure out?
08-14-2012 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DC11GTR
I haven't re-watched yet (waiting for the end of the first half to marathon before the 2nd), but has anyone discovered how much of the heist the kid saw? Or is that even possible to figure out?
No one knows how long he was there. If Todd didn't react so quickly, I'm guessing they wouldn't have killed the kid, as the tank with the meth in it would be gone soon enough.
08-14-2012 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thesteve
That Mexican guy in the truck who was the good semaritan seemed suspicious to me.

Yea. His truck was too nice.


What happened to the manager at Pollos?
08-14-2012 , 12:40 PM
That guy (in the truck) was Hugo, and he's coming for payback.
08-14-2012 , 12:40 PM
I'm guessing she's on the "Lydia's 11" list

Last edited by LostOstrich; 08-14-2012 at 12:41 PM. Reason: pollos manager i mean

      
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