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08-26-2013 , 01:47 AM
lol at people nitting up over Jessie lighting up a blunt
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08-26-2013 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by sluggger5x
lol at people nitting up over Jessie lighting up a blunt
s'alll good man, let me blazeee
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08-26-2013 , 01:50 AM
it was just a helluva plot contrivance is all

they're usually more laid back and **** with stuff like that on this show

kinda forcing things late a little
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08-26-2013 , 01:50 AM
Walt's ploy to keep Junior from meeting at Hank and Marie's was so good. He even says to go there at the end when he knows he's got his man.
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08-26-2013 , 01:50 AM
I'm all for finding fault in things to boost my self esteem but doing it with this episode feels forced.
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08-26-2013 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
I'm all for finding fault in things to boost my self esteem but doing it with this episode feels forced.
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08-26-2013 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
s'alll good man, let me blazeee
maybe it was 4:20... anyone see a clock in the office?
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08-26-2013 , 01:54 AM
i really think tonight cemented this series as the best of all time.

I have such trust in the writers after the confession tape, i know they wont blow it

i didnt want jesse to die, and i feel like after this episode, i dont know how he can survive.

there is also no way hank ever catches walter white. it would be such a disservice to the show, after walt has outplayed hank every single turn for 5 seasons

just no chance
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08-26-2013 , 01:57 AM
Lydia/Todd are going to play a huge roll I think. Lydia maybe kills skylar and Todd kills Jesse

then walt goes with the machine gun and takes them all out
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08-26-2013 , 01:58 AM
im not sure where they go with hank. I could see him just getting arrested
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08-26-2013 , 02:05 AM
Well I guess I was wrong, Jesse didn't know yet about Brock. Confession scene was amazing, desert scene was amazing, everything after the desert scene was amazing


GOAT gonna GOAT
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08-26-2013 , 02:06 AM
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Anyone else think it's significant that Todd referred to Walter as Mr. White rather than Heisenberg? I dunno, just struck me as strange, certainly felt like Todd was way out of his depth in that scene.

AFAIK he usually calls him Mr White. If not, I think it was a nod to the diner scene in Reservoir Dogs.
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08-26-2013 , 02:09 AM
Hank being arrested as Hiesenberg would be epic.
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08-26-2013 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
Lydia/Todd are going to play a huge roll I think. Lydia maybe kills skylar and Todd kills Jesse

then walt goes with the machine gun and takes them all out
Lydia and Todd being complete opposites in regards to the killing aspect of the business are what make your hypothesis super-interesting. Lydia orders killings but doesn't want to hear or see them, whereas Todd is cavalier about popping a cap if it has to be done.

Skylar is halfway into the darkness now -- could she have what it takes to kill Lydia if they go head-to-head for whatever reason???

Vince ****ing Gillian is a boss. Wire still best all time though, it's going to take the mother of finales to knock it off for me.
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08-26-2013 , 02:14 AM
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im not sure where they go with hank. I could see him just getting arrested
My guess is he gets Jesse to flip but Jesse gets got by Todd's crew. With no one to testify and no concrete evidence, Hank offs himself.
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08-26-2013 , 02:16 AM
I'm glad Jesse stayed a loyal soldier for the most part. He wouldn't rat out Walt at this point. His only option for revenge is to kill Walt.
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08-26-2013 , 02:23 AM
I don't see Hank offing himself. I have no idea where it goes from here and I dig that.
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08-26-2013 , 02:31 AM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...ions-we-613937

BB writer Gennifer Hutchison breaks down Episode 5.11 "Confessions"

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THR: Walt's confession tape was a big move. Fans have been wondering what he'd do – how did this idea come about?

Hutchison: We’d be in the writer's room trying to figure out what Walt’s next move would be. We had this idea that Walt would try to blackmail Hank with “I paid for your medical treatment.” We had this idea of him blackmailing him and we were in the room and the idea came up to have him confess to the police, which would have been a step to far. So we liked the idea of the video because it’s a threat and it goes to show how far Walt will go. But it’s not so far as to involve the rest of the police. It’s a really great dig at Hank, and yet you get the idea that he could actually sell this story. What he’s saying had some sincerity in the video. It’s absolutely believable Hank could be the mastermind. The video is enough to mess Hank up.

Walt's idea is Hank will know even if Marie is right and [the DEA] won’ believe the confession, it’s still going to hang Hank up enough that Walt will be able to run up the clock before he goes to jail. Walt's idea is no one will ever see this tape. It’s just for Hank.
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08-26-2013 , 02:40 AM
This episode Walt was in some sort of character all the time and any conversation with him was only for the reason of manipulation. The way he explained things to his son seemed hurtful on purpose. His speech to Jesse was twisted as usual and obviously fake, but Walt still put on the act. I got the sense this episode that Walt isn't really Walt or Heisenburg anymore, rather worse versions of both that are losing it.

The confession tape had a lot going for it. I don't think it really even matters to Walt if the story will hold up - he is saying to Hank that he is dying and willing to take anyone down with him. This seemed more of an ego move than a strategy to get Hank to stay quiet, which makes it all the worse. The look of surprise on Hank's face was a great moment and showed that he still thought Walt respected the idea of right and wrong in some sort of way. It was so beyond the realm of possible outcomes in Hank's head, which is scary to accept since there is lots of time for Walt's evil to come into play.

The ricin reveal for Jesse first seemed too easy but actually I think it's the way to go given the character. I've been really annoyed with Jesse's routine every season of being a downer and lounging around for half the season, but the cognitive dissonance he feels from being fed Walt's edited reality and sensing emotionally that there is something off. He feels more than thinks in my opinion and just hasn't been able to make sense of so many things that he's gone through, so he implodes. Ricin, cigarettes and Brock's poisoning have huge emotional associations tied to them for Jesse so this probably is the way he would realize Walt's true nature on his own. He's not an analytical person who would deduce this kind of thing through a logical, deliberate approach. Bumping into Huell connected the dots intuitively.

Trying to dig into these characters somewhat made me realize that the writers of BB are so good in ways that are hard to notice. The way characters go about random things is so structured and balanced with the character's history and nature. It's kind of hard to spot when it's working but it's really noticeable when writers can't do this (Dexter is a perfect example).

Lastly - The way Walt spoke into the camera for his fake confession was a great throwback and contrast to the pilot episode outside the RV and freaking out It's just another way, out of so many, that his transformation is demonstrated but the timing and connection to something we sort of forgot about, but know instantly when reminded, was my favorite moment in the episode. Gave me chills right away and fist pumped the reference.

tl;dr - Awesome episode and show is GOAT. In contrast, Dexter is an embarrassment compared to BB which gets better and better with more scrutiny and attention to details.

Last edited by euler217; 08-26-2013 at 02:53 AM.
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08-26-2013 , 02:49 AM
Excellent episode, not GOAT episode, but still excellent. Two things irked me as I watched it:

1) The ricin epiphany was convoluted and complicated. I read through this link, and I fully get it. But it's a bit of a stretch now that I do. That fact that it even takes a full page of text to full break down all the events related to the ricin reinforces point 1.

Add to that many of those events occurred in Season 4--those episodes aired two years ago. I only vaguely remember Jesse meeting Huell back then for example.

2) If Hank were this mastermind drug czar, why would he need his servant Walt to pay for his medical expenses? Easy enough to make up an excuse to explain it all away, hiding money and so on I guess, just hit me as odd. I think he left out Tuco also, seemed like a missed opportunity.

3) Todd talks too much on the phone. I wonder if that becomes a problem. Opening not my favorite.

4) Walter super-obvious lying to Skyler as he gets the gun. Skyler oblivious? Not sure why Walt has to lie at this point anyway.

Small things in an otherwise super strong episode. 2-4 aren't even complaints and 1 is just meh.
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08-26-2013 , 02:51 AM
Another episode down, another 3 minutes of still-clueless Walt Jr.

At this rate Holly catches on faster
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08-26-2013 , 02:58 AM
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Excellent episode, not GOAT episode, but still excellent. Two things irked me as I watched it:

1) The ricin epiphany was convoluted and complicated. I read through this link, and I fully get it. But it's a bit of a stretch now that I do. That fact that it even takes a full page of text to full break down all the events related to the ricin reinforces point 1.

Add to that many of those events occurred in Season 4--those episodes aired two years ago. I only vaguely remember Jesse meeting Huell back then for example.

2) If Hank were this mastermind drug czar, why would he need his servant Walt to pay for his medical expenses? Easy enough to make up an excuse to explain it all away, hiding money and so on I guess, just hit me as odd. I think he left out Tuco also, seemed like a missed opportunity.

3) Todd talks too much on the phone. I wonder if that becomes a problem. Opening not my favorite.

4) Walter super-obvious lying to Skyler as he gets the gun. Skyler oblivious? Not sure why Walt has to lie at this point anyway.

Small things in an otherwise super strong episode. 2-4 aren't even complaints and 1 is just meh.
Re #2

Walt specifically mentions how Gus is in control of Hank's funds and Hank/Gus had a falling out which led to the hit on him. Thus, Hank's money well has run dry.
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08-26-2013 , 03:04 AM
The way the episode started with Todd making that call to Walt outside the diner and the camera zooming in on the end of the cigarette as Todd lit it made me think the ricin is for Todd.

As for Hank, here is my prediction:

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He kills himself as others have predicted: At the restaurant Marie tells Walt to kill himself, Hank says "He's not getting off that easy". Hank views suicide as an easy solution. Then as they watch the video confession Walt says he had considered killing himself and the camera pans to Hank as if he's pondering the thought of suicide. Afterward Hank asks Marie about the 177k for medical bills and after Marie tells him about taking the money, a completely defeated Hanks tells Marrie, "Jesus you killed me, that's the final nail in the coffin". Hank views himself a dead man.
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08-26-2013 , 03:07 AM
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When they all sat down at the Mexican restaurant a part of me really thought this guy was going to be their server...
"Todd Duffey?" was seriously part of my thought process during the greet.

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I'm all for finding fault in things to boost my self esteem but doing it with this episode feels forced.
You could find fault in the fact that Gilligan and company have still failed when it comes to the 60% of this thread (the little boys mostly) who fist-pumped during the confession tape as opposed to having a non-sociopathic reaction.
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08-26-2013 , 03:20 AM
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Re #2

Walt specifically mentions how Gus is in control of Hank's funds and Hank/Gus had a falling out which led to the hit on him. Thus, Hank's money well has run dry.
oh ok thanks, ill watch again later
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