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Old 12-07-2012, 01:07 PM   #1701
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Re: Boardwalk Empire: Season 3

The Harrow scene was unrealistic, but it wasn't as bad as some people are making it out to be. Rosetti only had 9 men, one of whom hid in a closet and one who took Tommy hostage. Two more left with Rosetti. That leaves just 5 guys for Harrow to kill when he has the jump and much better weapons

The only legit complaint I see is his attempt to assault the entire living room from a very bad tactical position. That's it. That's enough to ruin an entire scene/episode for you?
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:56 PM   #1702
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You acknowledge that some level of realism is neccessary, then rant for 3 more paragraphs because other peoples expectations of realism in BWE don't exactly match yours. All people are saying is that the seen could have been done in an equally awesome way while paying greater homage to the characters backstory and maintaining the level of realism purported by this show since its inception.

It should also be noted that its the defenders of this scene who seem most perturbed by this debate. I think it has something to do with the fact that a good portion of BWE's audience came in looking for nothing but Prohibition-era sex and violence and were disappointed to discover that an attempt at story and art might be made instead. They stuck around anyway and finally got their payoff, and are absolutely furious that anyone might cheapen it by pointing out how out of context it is compared to the tone of the rest of the show (which they never really liked, anyway).
Well, obviously some level of realism is necessary, or the show would be Game of Thrones.

I actually agree with you on the second part. I don't like those people either. I also really don't like people who take TV far too seriously, to the point where all the fun is taken out of it - this whole debate is an argument between those two extremes, in some ways. However, I'd like to think that most of OOTV are smart enough to appreciate both the artistic value and the enjoyment factor of a high quality TV show - there are always going to be a few people who don't like watching scenes of Nucky ruminating on the nature of his existence, but just like it doesn't make sense to hate on that part of the show purely for what it is, it doesn't make sense to hate on the 'unrealistic', crowd-pleaser moments either.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:08 PM   #1703
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Yes, every part of the show is special in its own way.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:12 PM   #1704
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Harrow scene bothered me; he's supposed to be this ultra experienced bad-ass killer and instead he fights like an idiot (tactically speaking). This scene should have been epic but instead lots of viewers were taken out of the moment. Woulda been easy to just choreograph the scene in a way that made sense without taking anything away. Can't believe people are saying it's high nittery to point this out when it is at worst mediocre nittery (which is largely what this forum is built on).

Has this show been good? Yes.
Was this scene bad enough to stop the finale from being good? No, the finale was still good.
Should they have done this scene better? Absolutely.
Have people been debating this way too long? Definitely.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:39 PM   #1705
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Harrow scene bothered me; he's supposed to be this ultra experienced bad-ass killer and instead he fights like an idiot
This isn't really fair. The goal of the scene is awesome, he fought in the most awesome way. They just weren't attempting to convey tactical genius or anything like that.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:50 PM   #1706
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if what he did was awesome then ****ty action movies would be awesome

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Old 12-08-2012, 02:42 AM   #1707
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This isn't really fair. The goal of the scene is awesome, he fought in the most awesome way. They just weren't attempting to convey tactical genius or anything like that.
Strongly disagree with the bolded. He fought like he wanted to die. When people fight like this there are three possible explanations:
1) they don't know any better
2) they actually want to die
3) they are acting out one of the worst cliches in all of film/tv

Harrow did know better and he didn't want to die. If he dies before before saving the kid the whole assault is for nothing. He should have fought like he wanted to win, like he had a clue. Not this played out B movie crap.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:30 AM   #1708
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The nits are starting to sway me a bit, however I still can't understand how you can watch that scene and not be giddy with unrestrained joy-- how you can watch that scene and not yell out "BOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!" after every quickscope...

Sure it could have been done in a more realistic way that also elicited this reaction, but it wasn't and I'm not going to get too hung up on it.
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Old 12-08-2012, 03:50 AM   #1709
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I actually did enjoy the scene. I can get down with some "played out B movie crap" every once in a while, especially if the setup is great. But I like to base my nittery on [potential enjoyment - actual enjoyment], not just raw enjoyment. And this coulda been GOATish.

Also I don't think nearly as many people would be nitting about this (including myself) if the first people to point it out didn't meet such strong resistance.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:06 PM   #1710
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The nits are starting to sway me a bit, however I still can't understand how you can watch that scene and not be giddy with unrestrained joy-- how you can watch that scene and not yell out "BOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!" after every quickscope...

Sure it could have been done in a more realistic way that also elicited this reaction, but it wasn't and I'm not going to get too hung up on it.
thats my point...I wanted so bad to be into the scene. I love Harrow and was reeeally looking forward to a scene like this since he layed out all those guns on his table in an earlier ep. But it was so over the top and unrealistic I was just so aware it was a TV show and couldnt get over it. So Im mad at the writers not Harrow.

The Tommy hostage scene just topped it off as such stupid, Expendables BS too.
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Old 12-08-2012, 12:10 PM   #1711
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Thread has gone full OOTV about the Harrow scene
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:57 AM   #1712
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This ended up being my favorite fall show after a pre-season start as the #3 or #4 spot in my personal rankings.

I understand the nits pov on the harrow scene, but for me, I think harrow is such a great character that I was probably primed to like it almost no matter what - given the foreshadowing in ep11.

I like how this show doesn't explain every detail. There is a good amount of subtlety that shows like recent seasons of dexter should have tried to implement IMO.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:25 PM   #1713
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Great finale. Thankful that the hotel wifi was fast enough for me to watch.

Loved how Harrow stormed in firing his bolt action rifle.
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Old 12-12-2012, 07:04 PM   #1714
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The nits are starting to sway me a bit, however I still can't understand how you can watch that scene and not be giddy with unrestrained joy-- how you can watch that scene and not yell out "BOOOOOOOM HEADSHOT!" after every quickscope...

Sure it could have been done in a more realistic way that also elicited this reaction, but it wasn't and I'm not going to get too hung up on it.
It definitely coulda been done a lot more realistic. My biggest gripe is that he is rocking a sniper rifle at close range. If you just look down a scope real quick there is a good chance you wont see anything but black until the to end align and it a lot more fine tuning to use then just iron sights.


If Harrow was just rocking lots of close range weapons like the scatter gun he had and pistols it would been way more believable. In real life even a skilled markman would need lots of time to quickly pull up a rifle and scope at a close target and he woulda just been blown away while he was putting another bullet in the chamber cuz of the bold action. Super silly scene imo if you know anything about guns, tactics, have commone sense...... imo


I think the best thing for me to do is just act like that scene never happened cuz its dent in an otherwise awesome show.
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Old 12-13-2012, 08:34 AM   #1715
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God I miss the Sopranos so much. Even just remembering this thread was about Boardwalk once the Sopranos posts stopped was kinda depressing.

BTW, I really hated the Boardwalk finale. Pretty much everything about it was unrealistic and silly and just tied everything into a neat little bow at random just because the episodes were up. Thought this was a really weak season which was a shame because I liked Season 2 a lot.
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Old 12-13-2012, 09:13 AM   #1716
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God I miss the Sopranos so much. Even just remembering this thread was about Boardwalk once the Sopranos posts stopped was kinda depressing.
Amen.

I have some faith that something as good will one day be produced on tv, but not one of the best shows currently on tv can hold a candle to The Sopranos.
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Old 12-15-2012, 10:28 AM   #1717
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Question about the heroin thing:

Masseria fronts 100k for heroin from Lucky and Meyer, Rothstein sends in crooked cops to bust and steal his own mens heroin, shoving it in their face because they went and made a deal when he said to hold off? Then he he basically offers to sell what is basically Masserias heroin, right back to his face? And Masseria is a powerful hothead and already dislikes AR and he's just cool with this?

Don't really get what happened there. Sepinwall Winter article is good, cleared up the Mellon distillery thing which I was kinda hazy on.
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Old 12-15-2012, 03:28 PM   #1718
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Amen.

I have some faith that something as good will one day be produced on tv, but not one of the best shows currently on tv can hold a candle to The Sopranos.
Wow, I thought there was so much more bad in the Sopranos at times than we ever see in Boardwalk. There were whole seasons of the Sopranos that sucked (Kevin Finnerty).
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:03 PM   #1719
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Question about the heroin thing:

Masseria fronts 100k for heroin from Lucky and Meyer, Rothstein sends in crooked cops to bust and steal his own mens heroin, shoving it in their face because they went and made a deal when he said to hold off? Then he he basically offers to sell what is basically Masserias heroin, right back to his face? And Masseria is a powerful hothead and already dislikes AR and he's just cool with this?

Don't really get what happened there. Sepinwall Winter article is good, cleared up the Mellon distillery thing which I was kinda hazy on.
Yeah, can someone help out with this. I think it was explained a bit itt, but I'm still not completely clear.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:40 PM   #1720
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Wow, I thought there was so much more bad in the Sopranos at times than we ever see in Boardwalk. There were whole seasons of the Sopranos that sucked (Kevin Finnerty).
Putting aside any discussions on whether it sucked (and any presumptions as to why you might think so), that was like one episode.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:48 PM   #1721
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Putting aside any discussions on whether it sucked (and any presumptions as to why you might think so), that was like one episode.
Without further derailing this thread, I'd like to bet that it was more than one episode. I remember it being the majority of a season. I'd feel comfortable betting it was at least 3 or 4 episodes. Anything more than that I wouldn't be as comfortable taking even odds.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:53 PM   #1722
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Without further derailing this thread, I'd like to bet that it was more than one episode. I remember it being the majority of a season. I'd feel comfortable betting it was at least 3 or 4 episodes. Anything more than that I wouldn't be as comfortable taking even odds.
been a while since i saw it, but it wasn't.

Michaelson: The Sopranos gave TV writers the blueprint for how to be smart and still succeed - anything that tries to be as ambitious is going to get compared to it, probably unfavorably. I don't think the wide range of themes it covered can ever be duplicated. I do feel like Treme and Mad Men are still breaking ground wrt TV drama though, and Louie is certainly breaking ground on the comedy side - look at this way, we've got 6 shows that are trying to do what the Sopranos did, instead of just one hour a week for 13 weeks a year.
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Old 12-15-2012, 04:54 PM   #1723
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It was 2 episodes. It was also the last season which clearly did not suck.

I'm on roughly my 10th re-watch at the moment, currently in the last season.
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Old 12-15-2012, 05:02 PM   #1724
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You've made me doubt myself enough that I'm going to spend entirely too much time googling the whole coma storyline now. Maybe it just felt like forever.
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Old 12-15-2012, 06:39 PM   #1725
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Without further derailing this thread, I'd like to bet that it was more than one episode. I remember it being the majority of a season. I'd feel comfortable betting it was at least 3 or 4 episodes. Anything more than that I wouldn't be as comfortable taking even odds.
It's probably poor form to bet on something that can be easily researched on the Internet, but I'll happily take under 2.5 for whatever you want to put on it.
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