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Old 12-04-2012, 12:35 PM   #1626
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yeah i agree that Chalky did not want them in the club because he was trying to shield them, I was confused as to which scene you were referring to. In any case, Chalky not only agreed to allow them to be together, but actually forced his daughter to be with him, after he realized that the guy was a doctor and would be useful.
Chalky did not want his daughter to marry the doctor because he would be useful to Chalky's criminal organization. Chalky wanted his doctor to marry the daughter because it's a respectable profession that can provide for a family without having to get involved in the criminal element.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:21 PM   #1627
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:23 PM   #1628
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:33 PM   #1629
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #1630
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The Harrow scene should have opened with him sniping 3-4 guys through the windows, then coming in and finishing the job.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:39 PM   #1631
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Only just now realized why harrow wasn't looking straight forward in that picture. I'm an idiot.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:41 PM   #1632
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A talking to me?

I don't see anyone else around, so who the **** else are you talking to
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:20 PM   #1633
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:51 PM   #1634
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Re: Boardwalk Empire: Season 3

Anyone think there may be a flashback next season showing Owens murder. Maybe Margaret gets vengeance.....
Also no wrap up on van Alden.. Sucks.

Agree with others 2nd to last was far far superior. Best hour in all 3 seasons.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:07 PM   #1635
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I guess I'll nit this a little bit because I'm bored and the season is over. I agree with the above poster that it's not unreasonable that a trained soldier with the element of surprise and intimate knowledge of the building would have a huge advantage over a bunch of poorly-trained, demoralized, possibly drunk mobsters mostly concerned about saving their own skin. SEALs, Delta Force, and even your local SWAT team all train for similar operations.

My nit is that Richard was a soldier, he killed people in the war, but at no point, at least as far as we know, did he have training or experience in close-quarters combat. He was a sniper, and apparently a good one. But he wasn't assaulting trenches and pillboxes and blowing away every kraut who got in his way, he was lying motionless until he saw an opportunity to shoot someone from X00 yards away. His skills are infiltration, patience and accuracy and this just isn't the skillset to go one-man army on a group of guys in a confined space. Someone like Jimmy would probably be much more suited for it.
As KDawg mentioned, WWI was predominantly fought in close quarters, and for most of the war in the form of trench warfare. Snipers were far less used by the U.S. in WWI than in subsequent wars and conflicts. Most of the time, the Germans/Central soldiers (as well as the Allied Soldiers) were huddled together underground in trenches. Combatants would often go days, weeks, or even months before surfacing to engage in direct attacks above ground.

Any members of the U.S. army would have needed to pass basic training focusing on hand-to-hand and close quarters combat. The rifle bayonet was still a primary form of attack for most infantry in World War I, so you can be assured that Richard was well-trained to fight in close quarters.

It's baffling to me that so many people in this thread assume that a WWI sniper would be poorly equipped to fight in close quarters, that snipers at the time were only trained to shoot from long distances, or that being a sniper and an excellent fighter in close quarters against multiple foes would have been (or still are for a modern day sniper) mutually exclusive skills.

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Old 12-04-2012, 05:47 PM   #1636
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good post, yeah.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:00 PM   #1637
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It's baffling to me that one guy in this thread assume that a WWI sniper would be poorly equipped to fight in close quarters, that snipers at the time were only trained to shoot from long distances, or that being a sniper and an excellent fighter in close quarters against multiple foes would have been (or still are for a modern day sniper) mutually exclusive skills.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:12 PM   #1638
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:26 PM   #1639
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Any members of the U.S. army would have needed to pass basic training focusing on hand-to-hand and close quarters combat. The rifle bayonet was still a primary form of attack for most infantry in World War I, so you can be assured that Richard was well-trained to fight in close quarters.
Not to nit this up any more then it needs to be but the Bayonet was an antiquated piece of military equipment once the mini ball was invented prior to the onset of the civil war further more antiquated by the repeating rifle, let alone saw "usage" in WW I . Yes men were trained to use them, yes they were on there rifles but they were seldom used in fighting. For the most part in close quarter fighting a "trench knife" was generally used ( A set of brass knuckles basically with a spike near the palm and a long bowie knife for a blade) In fact, lots of Bayonets were converted to boot knives at some point.

Anyway that's just some fun facts for you, reality is he still had to learn some form of basic hand to hand.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:32 PM   #1640
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I don't think the Harrow scene is that far fetched, it's not perfect I guess if we really want to be super nitty here about it but IDK I was just like enjoying it , you know what a TV show is suppose to do. Its not like he rode in on a Unicorn and start to blast them with laser beams.
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Old 12-04-2012, 07:51 PM   #1641
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that only happens in north korea
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:17 PM   #1642
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Chalky did not want his daughter to marry the doctor because he would be useful to Chalky's criminal organization. Chalky wanted his doctor to marry the daughter because it's a respectable profession that can provide for a family without having to get involved in the criminal element.
Then it would not make sense for Chalky to change his mind about the guy, only when he found out that he was a doctor. He knew the guy was going to respectable right from the start.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:41 PM   #1643
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I don't even understand what you're trying to contend or what you've concluded.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:50 PM   #1644
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it is very simple, let me spell it out for you one more time. in their initial meeting Chalky was opposed to his daughter being with that guy. He randomly snapped a few times at him and was hostile. It is only after he found out he was a doctor, he changed his mind and even forced his daughter into relationship with him. that is what happened in that episode, whenever it happened.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:53 PM   #1645
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You mean the initial meeting last season? It wasn't that Chalky was "opposed" to the two of them, just that the doctor's education and proper upbringing made him insecure about his own lack thereof.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:55 PM   #1646
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If Chalky was merely insecure, he would have at least some composure and would not completely lose his cool over some completely innocent remarks. feel free to disagree though
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:35 PM   #1647
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I was only a casual fan of BE until this season.

Season 3 was as good as any season of any show I have seen. I put it up there with the wire (name a season).

I hope they keep it going for 2 more seasons.
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Old 12-04-2012, 09:47 PM   #1648
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Chalky knew Samuel was studying to become a doctor even when he was being hostile towards him. And even then I don't think it was Samuel personally, Chalky was having an awful day and was sippin that whiskey.

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Old 12-04-2012, 10:03 PM   #1649
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I thought the finale was pretty meh. I dont think anyone can make a good arguement for the harrow shootout scene being realistic at all. Its fine if you wanna say hey its a TV show not everything is going to be 100% spelled out and realistic, but Im not buying the fact that it would be remotely possible for a second. What about the guy charging him from behind with a knife upstairs? With a gun holster on his chest? Or the guy slowly walking up to him with his gun raised and aimed at him but waiting to take a butt end from richard in the face?

The staris scene was bad too, but someone else touched on that enough.

Also the scene with tommy made no sense either. Why didnt richard just shoot the guy when he was looking through the sights? When he put the gun down, the other guy didnt take his gun off of tommys head so nothing changed, except that richard was now shooting a sniper rifle off the floor.

Again Im OK with just about all of this because its a damn good tv show and better than 99.9% of other stuff out there, but dont tell me its realistic.
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Old 12-04-2012, 10:08 PM   #1650
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Never quite understood the gun to the head prisoner scenario. If the guy aiming the gun at the hostage gets shot does he sometime pull the trigger as he dies due to his death throes/reflexes?

And good post btw.
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