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Old 11-28-2012, 07:50 AM   #1326
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The lack of exclusivity in the relationship is what I feel comes with the territory. She knows his situation with Margaret and the kids, which probably made her feel like an exclusive relationship was not so likely. In that scene where you believe she randomly fell in love with him, she says she doesn't care that he's a gangster, but just wants him to be "my gangster." I don't think the lack of exclusivity means that they can't care deeply for each other.



I guess I just saw numerous scenes where I felt the opposite. He came to her place one night when she wasn't there and fell asleep. He wakes up to her making breakfast, and tells her his true fear of being alone. She responds with "well you're not alone now," and they embrace in a way that we have never seen from Nucky. As cold and calculating as he is, his moments with Billy are the only time he seems human, and it is just impossible imo that she doesn't return the same feelings at least significantly

I guess my main point should be that if you believe she "randomly fell in love with him after beating up that guy," that doesn't fall in line with her not really caring for him prior



This is true, and the kids certainly have a lot to do with that. It's pretty hard to tell what will come of their situation, but the immense amount of protection and repeated checking in from a distance shows that they are indeed important to him



Again I think this has to do with the racial inequality of the times. If black folk were easily accepted anywhere and everywhere, I feel confident that this whole scene goes down differently. I don't think Chalky's men are very valuable as manpower, and it would raise a lot of suspicion if they were congregating in unusual areas. The bathhouse coup to take down Masseria would not have been an option with Chalky's men, regardless of skill
Well I guess you were wrong about Chalky and the usefulness of his manpower.

As far as Billy and Nucky, I never got a sense that Billy wanted anything more with Nucky, other than his $$. Never once was it hinted that she had a problem with Margaret and how things stood. I guess we just have a completely different read on their relationship. I do agree that the show portrayed Nucky as being in strongly love with her (even though this was done with no built up), but as far as Billy,never really have I got a sense that she truly cared about Nucky, she just seemed to want Nuggy around and nothing more . Otherwise why would she party w/out him all the time, and flirt with other men right in front of Nucky's face.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:54 AM   #1327
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also that thing about Chalky's daughter's fiance is still poor storytelling... He is some random guy who got 15 seconds of screentime and resurfaced randomly half a season later for another 15 seconds. This is not bringing things together, but just unnecessary and lazy.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:09 AM   #1328
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If chalky randomly had a doctor available that would feel weird, think it worked very well this way, having seen the doctors background earlier in the show
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:19 AM   #1329
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why the **** would it be weird? im sure black folks needed doctors as well as other people. They could have showed some random doctor earlier in the show.... Instead they had this weird couple of episodes of family drama that didn't go anywhere.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:38 AM   #1330
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That arc was a complete waste of time and added nothing to the scene imo.

Also now that this was brought up: wasnt the kid attacked in a bar owned by chalky?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:10 AM   #1331
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Harrow was a great character in the first two seasons. But, he's been weak in the third. If he's going to stick around for the fourth season, they need to get him back in the game.
Blasphemy. You say you're all caught up?
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:25 AM   #1332
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also that thing about Chalky's daughter's fiance is still poor storytelling... He is some random guy who got 15 seconds of screentime and resurfaced randomly half a season later for another 15 seconds. This is not bringing things together, but just unnecessary and lazy.
Nucky has a $25k bounty on his head, so it makes sense that they would bring a character that we know Chalky can trust. And it took an episode for us to develop this character.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:57 AM   #1333
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Finally watched the last two episodes. My excitement stems from this:

Richard has a particular set of skills.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:00 PM   #1334
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Finally watched the last two episodes. My excitement stems from this:

Richard has a particular set of skills.
Skills he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like Gillian. If Gillian lets Tommy go now, that'll be the end of it. He will not look for her, he will not pursue her. But if she doesn't, he will look for her, he will find her, and he will kill her.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:12 PM   #1335
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Anyone know anything about blacks education opportunities in the 20s? Were there black med schools or were they not segregated?
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:12 PM   #1336
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Skills he has acquired over a very long career. Skills that make him a nightmare for people like Gillian. If Gillian lets Tommy go now, that'll be the end of it. He will not look for her, he will not pursue her. But if she doesn't, he will look for her, he will find her, and he will kill her.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:57 PM   #1337
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why the **** would it be weird? im sure black folks needed doctors as well as other people. They could have showed some random doctor earlier in the show.... Instead they had this weird couple of episodes of family drama that didn't go anywhere.
sure it did, he was cut - it's about the difficulty of consorting with such people. there weren't many wealthy blacks then, and probably a disproportionate number were guys like chalky - people who ran illegal operations. chalky's bought his family into the african-american aristocracy but he definitely doesn't fit into it. and while, again, i think these scenes feel like they're from another show, they're starting to build - we're starting to get a sense of who everyone in this world is, and it's beginning to pay off in a big way.
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:10 PM   #1338
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Well I guess you were wrong about Chalky and the usefulness of his manpower.
Guess so. Funny how they seemed to address everything we talked about in that last episode.

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As far as Billy and Nucky, I never got a sense that Billy wanted anything more with Nucky, other than his $$. Never once was it hinted that she had a problem with Margaret and how things stood. I guess we just have a completely different read on their relationship. I do agree that the show portrayed Nucky as being in strongly love with her (even though this was done with no built up), but as far as Billy,never really have I got a sense that she truly cared about Nucky, she just seemed to want Nuggy around and nothing more . Otherwise why would she party w/out him all the time, and flirt with other men right in front of Nucky's face.
Again I disagree. I kinda felt like she thought was just being realistic about their relationship, how long could you really expect it to last? She's an actress, it's in her spirit to party all the time and flirt with just about anyone.

I do agree that Nucky likely felt a lot more for her than she did for him. But when he gave her all that money right before the bombing, he was trying to show some sort of long term commitment, and she accepted. Why else would she be there with him, smiling at him on the boardwalk, while he has a chat with Rothstein? No woman of Nucky's has ever even caught a glimpse of Rothstein

I guess I'm comparing Billie to Margaret and Lucy, and there is a very clear difference to me. The relationship is far more complex, and pretty unusual, but has a lot more mutual feeling than simple attraction. I feel extremely confident saying that Margaret and Lucy were much more attracted to Nucky's money/stature than Nucky himself when compared to Billie
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:11 PM   #1339
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Who is billie?
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that's how they have her name spelled on imdb
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:28 PM   #1341
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..and then something after it as well
It's Rudyard Kipling's "if." They translate a few lines into English as well. The episode title "Two Imposters" comes from the poem as well:

If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same
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Old 11-28-2012, 01:40 PM   #1342
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[QUOTE=hotdogfallacy;35948613]Well I guess you were wrong about Chalky and the usefulness of his manpower. [\QUOTE]

Not neccessarily. There's a big difference between Nucky hiding out in Chalky's house protected by his men and having a gang of young black men with shotguns tooling down the AC boardwalk in 1923.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:12 PM   #1343
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Did some googling and found this resource. Their anecdotes and data is from the south and up to 40 years earlier than BWE but should still be somewhat applicable.

Entering a White Profession: African-American Physicians in the New South, 1880-1920

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Most African-American physicians practicing before 1920 had attended one of the dozen missionary or proprietary medical schools established for former slaves after emancipation.
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the same black citizens who accorded black physicians high status in the community also treated warily someone so different from themselves who took on a role usually reserved for whites.
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“very few good [black Nashville] families had ever given colored doctors their practice,” because “they did not believe them competent.”
Personally, I think the doc can become an interesting arch in the next season, exploring society's attitude towards educated african americans.
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:30 PM   #1344
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Did some googling and found this resource. Their anecdotes and data is from the south and up to 40 years earlier than BWE but should still be good





Personally, I think the doc can become an interesting arch in the next season, exploring society's attitude towards educated african americans.
Maybe Samuel will be ostracized by regular folk; only Nucky and his associates will use his services. They can spin that character off and call the show 'The Mob Doctor'
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Old 11-28-2012, 06:20 PM   #1345
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only if manny is resurrected
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:24 PM   #1346
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sure it did, he was cut - it's about the difficulty of consorting with such people. there weren't many wealthy blacks then, and probably a disproportionate number were guys like chalky - people who ran illegal operations. chalky's bought his family into the african-american aristocracy but he definitely doesn't fit into it. and while, again, i think these scenes feel like they're from another show, they're starting to build - we're starting to get a sense of who everyone in this world is, and it's beginning to pay off in a big way.
by such people who are difficult to consort with, you mean who exactly? wealthy black people? poor black people who cut others up at any minor provocation? people like chalky? Yeah Chalky can't ****ing read, it is pretty evident he doesn't fit in with people who can. what is there to explore exactly?

i really do not find all those scenes with chalky to add up to anything relevant or worthwhile at all. I get more sense out of who Chalky is, when he talks about 'day olds' and not when he randomly starts losing his cool for no good reason with all the forced drama at a dinner table.
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Nucky has a $25k bounty on his head, so it makes sense that they would bring a character that we know Chalky can trust. And it took an episode for us to develop this character.
just create a random character that chalky can trust without all the stupid drama and wasted scenes? i mean if you really explore such a complicated issues as triumph i think is suggesting, it really doesn't seem to do them justice to compress it all into a couple of 3-4 minute episodes.

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Old 11-28-2012, 09:03 PM   #1348
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just create a random character that chalky can trust without all the stupid drama and wasted scenes? i mean if you really explore such a complicated issues as triumph i think is suggesting, it really doesn't seem to do them justice to compress it all into a couple of 3-4 minute episodes.
If you're looking for randomly created characters for high leverage situations of life and death like that, this show is probably not for you
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:43 PM   #1349
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wow nucky's chauffeur might have died...
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by such people who are difficult to consort with, you mean who exactly? wealthy black people? poor black people who cut others up at any minor provocation? people like chalky? Yeah Chalky can't ****ing read, it is pretty evident he doesn't fit in with people who can. what is there to explore exactly?
By such people, I was referring to gangsters in general. Regardless, the fact that he's given so much to his family and can't even enjoy what he's given them because they're from a different culture than he is? What's he doing it all for?

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i really do not find all those scenes with chalky to add up to anything relevant or worthwhile at all. I get more sense out of who Chalky is, when he talks about 'day olds' and not when he randomly starts losing his cool for no good reason with all the forced drama at a dinner table.
I'm not arguing that these scenes were good because I don't think they were, but you have the knowledge of Chalky from those scenes, you get the sense of what his background is, he's not just a catchphrase-spouting HBO property.

I have been brutal on this show, which has really not been all that bad but in my eyes hasn't been all that good, but it's becoming one of my favorite shows. HBO gave Terence Winter a ton of rope, and while I can't see this show making it into my Hall of Fame (Wire, Sopranos, Deadwood, Mad Men), right now it's operating around their level.
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