I agree and I think it’s a smart way to play but I think to position yourself well understanding the social dynamics are a must. That’s why I don’t know why Enzo didn’t get more love from the jury. He was by far the best positioned player throughout the game.

I’m assuming at least part of the reason has to be because his goodbye messages didn’t explain any of this although explaining your social position is very hard to do in 10 seconds or so.

Well, without going into it too much, none of us saw Enzo as doing much more than "Enzo being Enzo". He clearly had a strategy and was playing well. One of the points I'd often bring up in jury house (maybe didn't make air -- no idea) was that in a lot of early HoH comps, half the deck would end with Cody/Nicole going up or possibly Cody/Tyler. Cody would probably be protected enough to win the vote in either case, but that's still a lot of direct shots at a dicey nomination set. Enzo didn't have that -- nobody ever really considered nominating him. If I won one at the point I start trying (or Week 5's HoH had I not drawn the starting position... stupid chips), he wouldn't have even been remotely on my radar.

So like, 90% was a "Talent/Practice" argument where we just saw him as innately likable but not much else. 10% was that he didn't own anything in his goodbye messages, which can be up to a minute long and are shown in full to the appropriate juror once they arrive at jury house.

That makes sense I guess. I'm definitely biased towards Enzo because I'm from New York and I personally think his social style of playing is the best way to play. It's understandable that the jury didn't really have any talking points about what he did in the game because he was so stealthy. IMO his strategy is underrated and it's hard to appreciate what he did without watching the live feeds. I wish he did a better job of explaining his game in his jury speech but he was still Enzo being Enzo.

On a side note I got into backgammon by watching so thanks for that. I'm not good at all but I've only been playing for 3 weeks or so.

I think Enzo played great. I really appreciate him. He's well liked and that's so important in these games. BUT, if people don't consider you a threat, it can be bad. Like, maybe you aren't worth being voted out. I'll give it to Enzo that he was very active in making sure that people didn't consider him as a threat. They all thought he was an ally. That's credit to Enzo. He wasn't just sitting around being a dud.

But it also helps to be surrounded by A LOT of other people who are considered huge threats because of their prowess in not only comps, but likeability, and strategically/socially. In some ways, Enzo was 'not a threat' by default. Sometimes, that's a hard position to overcome when making one's case at the end. You definitely don't want to be sitting next to the likes of Cody in that case.

If christmas doesnt drop her pumpkin...

I agree with everything you said but in the beginning of the game he did win a bunch of comps and the committee all made sure that none of them would ever target him even though at the time he was considered a "comp beast" by most of them. I think Enzo is great strategically but in his own way. He's not great at what would normally be considered the strategy part of Big Brother although he is much better than people give him credit for. I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over about his game but I honestly hate that a lot of people don't realize how good he was.

A lot of people would have reacted differently to hearing about the committee but Enzo actively used the committee to his advantage.

Enzo played great. I think he’s an average competition player but way below average at knowing days/game events that he should have studied.
Cody was 100% locked in on his days. You could see how confident he was in the final HoH part.

Absolutely. Cody was one of the best ever at knowing things for the endgame comps. Just one of the many reasons he’s gotta be considered near the top of rankings lists.

Who is this? Ian?

I dont believe any of us were aware that he has an account here

My sense of it is that the noms would have been Nicole/Dani much moreso than Nicole/Cody

It doesnt really change the fact that Cody was in infinitely more danger than Enzo.
If youre attempting to advocate for Enzo, id say it’s much more impressive to survive without comp wins than with them

I think Enzo played one of the best games ever, and I'm sad to see it wasn't valued more.

Play this season 100 times and I think Enzo's strategy leads to him winning (or at least, reaching the end) more than anyone else. He just was never targeted, and he very consciously made himself friends with everybody, and I in no way think his game can be characterized as a floater game.

I can understand him losing to Cody though, and I guess I understand it if he didn't own up to anything in his goodbye messages, but I also think it's a shame if the goodbye messages mean that much :/

I agree with that and I’m pleasantly surprised a lot of people here agree with me about Enzo. I think Kevin day and maybe even Ian had basically convinced Enzo they would be bitter jurors and that’s why he didn’t own up to anything. I obviously think he should have but I understand his reasoning for not.

If Cody and Nicole didn't know each other and have their final 2 then Cody and Enzo would be considered one of the greatest duos of all time. I consider them right near the top. They worked amazingly well together and basically trusted each other 100% throughout the game. They navigated the game in a way where everyone knew they were close but didn't realize just how close they were and most of that credit has to go to Enzo.

I miss Ian

Busy with readjusting. Dom and Colin Podcast in the works.

Excited to hear. Did they watch the season?

They run a reality tv podcast. I'm sure they watch all of the major shows

Real personal struggle here. How much do we like Ian?
Do we like Ian enough to listen to Kat from BB21’s podcast?
Time will tell

Marvelling at how talented Kat is at making every topic about herself.

Dom and Colin coming in at about 6-7 hours. Should be good.

Rob got Dreamz on this week. Big week for the reality television media

I have a few questions if Ian comes back around.
But he says he is ready to go for broke once Kaysar is evicted. And then he still decides to punt round 1 of the knockout HoH competition. Seems pretty incongruous. It’s a bad competition to win but if you’re itching to make a run, why not go for it?

God, Da’vonne losing that HoH was such a terrible swing for the season

Yup, on a fairly easy final too. Considering how strong she was in the comp to that point, I have no idea how she missed that answer.