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09-25-2019 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kordoISback
yes, i felt bad for him as well. Made for poor TV and obviously agree with his reason for the nominations.

he deserved to win.

Also is it just me or is jessica an absolute moron?
Hola Kordo!!!

(Yes, she is a moron. Please don’t call me a racist because I said she was a moron, thx)
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09-25-2019 , 11:57 PM
Have NO PROBLEMS with JC-(M) bringing up the racist optics of his nominations and subsequent unprovoked comments against the minority HG's.

Not to take anything away from his gameplay, I feel he deserves the win even though I was rooting against him, but to deny that there was a bias against minority HG's by Jackson and his early game alliance members is ridiculous.
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09-26-2019 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
Fair but the point of it is that it's all relative. By keeping Holly you have to fade her winning veto too, and get rid of any equity that Tommy gave you. So call it 50% vs. 20% or something, it was still just as huge a mistake, the exact numbers don't matter much.
One big plus of keeping Tommy instead of Holly at final 4 is that you force Michie to realign with someone and that someone might well be you. And you probably stand a better chance against him in the end than Holly even though you probably shouldn't. One big minus about keeping Tommy instead of Holly is that you now have not one but TWO monsters that you have to get out of the house. And if Tommy says he'll throw the final 4 HOH, but then decides that's not going to work for him in the moment, that's a pretty big disaster on your winning the game chances, BUT you do get 50K for second so there's that.
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09-26-2019 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Umcle Diddler
Have NO PROBLEMS with JC-(M) bringing up the racist optics of his nominations and subsequent unprovoked comments against the minority HG's.

Not to take anything away from his gameplay, I feel he deserves the win even though I was rooting against him, but to deny that there was a bias against minority HG's by Jackson and his early game alliance members is ridiculous.

What unprovoked comments did Mickey make against the minority HG's? I'm specifically asking about Mickey, not Jack.
Just because his banishment had 3 of 4 minorities doesn't mean it was motivated by race, his reasoning for his noms makes more sense. I feel like he is guilty by association with jack cause their bros.
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09-26-2019 , 01:37 AM
Lol first thing Michie said when he greeted his parents was “I’m not racist”

Might wanna stay off social media for a while
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09-26-2019 , 02:42 AM
Some crazy revelations in tonight's finale. First the show confirmed what many suspected which is that Michie is indeed a white male. Apparently there were actually a few other white males on the show too. What a huge black eye for Big Brother! Also, we discovered the jury was filled with a bunch of sexist males. Every single one of them voted for Michie to win over Holly. Shameful! Finally, the most shocking revelation of all came in the vote for America's Favorite Houseguest. The 3 top vote getters of Cliff, Tommy, and Nicole proved that racism is alive and well throughout America. At least America isn't sexist though as Nicole won with over 1 million votes.

Edit for transparency sake: I voted for Kemi 21 times, David twice, and Ovi once.

Last edited by Dream Crusher; 09-26-2019 at 02:48 AM.
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09-26-2019 , 04:02 AM
only watched a few episodes this season, cliffs on Jackson Michie's racist comments?
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09-26-2019 , 07:02 AM
If I’m Michie I’m suing CBS. That was bullshit. Now you can’t even play nominate people or else’s it’s racist. He should have said I nominated Jess because she’s a fat sob and I didn’t think she would ever be able to win a comp.
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09-26-2019 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
If I’m Michie I’m suing CBS. That was bullshit. Now you can’t even play nominate people or else’s it’s racist. He should have said I nominated Jess because she’s a fat sob and I didn’t think she would ever be able to win a comp.
Thats as much of an overreaction as bringing it up in the first place. The racist question has been online since week one so its not like it wasnt already out in the public sphere.
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09-26-2019 , 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Some crazy revelations in tonight's finale. First the show confirmed what many suspected which is that Michie is indeed a white male. Apparently there were actually a few other white males on the show too. What a huge black eye for Big Brother! Also, we discovered the jury was filled with a bunch of sexist males. Every single one of them voted for Michie to win over Holly. Shameful! Finally, the most shocking revelation of all came in the vote for America's Favorite Houseguest. The 3 top vote getters of Cliff, Tommy, and Nicole proved that racism is alive and well throughout America. At least America isn't sexist though as Nicole won with over 1 million votes.

Edit for transparency sake: I voted for Kemi 21 times, David twice, and Ovi once.
In celebrity big brother didn’t the black players take out all the whites? That’s not racist?
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09-26-2019 , 11:28 AM
I agree that Jack was much more deserving of being raked over the coals at his eviction than Michie was of getting ambushed there at the end. That said, Michie did a lot of other weird anti-social **** in the house, especially early on, so I don't exactly have a ton of sympathy for him.
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09-26-2019 , 11:50 AM
It's almost like it's a game that people are playing 24 hours a day, and how they act in the house may or may not be who they are outside of the house.
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09-26-2019 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by shantideva
In celebrity big brother didn’t the black players take out all the whites? That’s not racist?
No, that can't possibly be racist.
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09-26-2019 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
If I’m Michie I’m suing CBS. That was bullshit. Now you can’t even play nominate people or else’s it’s racist. He should have said I nominated Jess because she’s a fat sob and I didn’t think she would ever be able to win a comp.
Hey, are you the same Eddie that won Season 1 of Big Brother? Why'd you vote to put the black man on the block in week 1? You knew how America was gonna do him. SMH.
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09-26-2019 , 03:00 PM
Can somebody catch me up as to what Michie said that was racist?
There was some less than savoury things said, and he’s not a person that’s easy to be sympathetic for, but I can’t think of what warranted that kind of ambush, where he couldn’t even celebrate his win.
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09-26-2019 , 05:55 PM
The dumbest move was when Cliff and Nicole went to Michie and told them they were considering evicting Holly. Damn dumb. Just blindside her. Cliff waffled on his word. Michie off the hook.

Michie came to win. To actually be awake, spy and overhear Tommy et al. chatting, Holly was out. Period. Brilliant.
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09-27-2019 , 12:06 AM
I like Cliff but...

He berated Michie for not keeping his word after he, Cliff...

...made a deal with Michie and Holly for final four, then said, no wait, maybe I want to keep Tommy instead of Holly. But **** that because Tommy is probably more loyal to Nicole than he is to me. And btw, Holly, you can play for final 4 veto as long as you won't use it on Michie.

...made a deal with Michie to take each other at final two, then said, no wait, I said I'd take Nicole. But Michie is a scumbag because he stays loyal to Holly which was totally predictable.



At least he voted right when given the choice. And I say that, as someone who just wants people to play the best game they are capable of, and I think Holly probably did that. I must hate women. Despite being one. Sorry.
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10-08-2019 , 09:47 AM
People say Nicole cost herself 500k by booting Tommy. She absolutely did not. This is how it would have played out if she kept Tommy.

Final 4- Tommy probably wins HOH. I am guessing Tommy wins veto since Jackson said he would have won. Jackson is booted.

Final 3- Tommy wins final HOH, takes Nicole. Tommy wins 7-2 with Cliff and 1 other random person (not sure who, Kat or Nick maybe) voting Nicole.

Nicole still would have lost the game. It doesn't work out any better for her.
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10-08-2019 , 09:52 AM
Or the other scenario I see would have been:

Tommy wins final 4 HOH (only a fool thinks he really throws this), Jackson wins veto, Jackson boots most likely Nicole. Even if Tommy does throw Final 4 HOH, Jackson boots Cliff.

If Tommy wins final HOH he takes Nicole if she is there, he wrecks Nicole in a jury vote so it doesn't matter for her though. If Jackson wins final HOH he probably takes Tommy, and even if he doesn't Nicole isn't beating him either. Nick said in todays interview he votes Jackson in a Jackson-Nicole Final 2, if she isn't even getting Nick's vote she has no chance in hell in that Final 2 either.

Nicole was only winning the game by keeping Holly, winning Final 2 HOH and being with Holly in Final 2.
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10-08-2019 , 09:58 AM
Nicole is still $50k richer in your scenario where Tommy wins everything. You can't argue that her equity goes way up if she keeps Tommy around instead of Holly.
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10-08-2019 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by shaft88
Just watched Sunday’s ep and I kind of blame tommy for not making it clear how dumb it is to take the showmance to final 4.

Jackson’s pitch and cliffs appeal to Nicole just before eviction was so ****ing nauseating. GO WITH THE ODDS NICOLE
Nicole had absolutely no shot vs Jackson or Tommy in a Final 2. Tommy is obvious, he is just too beloved, everyone but Cliff likes him better than they like Nicole. Jackson some try and convince themselves could fall to a bitter jury to Nicole but Nick said yesterday he would have voted Jackson over Nicole in a Final 2. If Nicole can't get the vote of one of her best friends in the game and someone who wasn't close to Jackson at all, she is toast there too. Jack, Sis, Holly, and probably Tommy and/or Christie at minimum were all at minimum voting Jackson over her already.

So with it covered she 100% cannot have won vs Tommy and atleast 95% cannot have won vs Jackson she would have had only 2 comps to get rid of 2 people she can't win over.

And actually according to the RHAP interviews she probably loses to even Cliff, so even then it might not work out for her where she almost for sure beats Holly.
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10-08-2019 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
Nicole is still $50k richer in your scenario where Tommy wins everything. You can't argue that her equity goes way up if she keeps Tommy around instead of Holly.
I guess but I hate Tommy passionately so a scenario that likely leads to him winning the game makes me sick. He is a total POS, and I am so relieved he did not stay and what I think would have happened then happened. So I prefer how it played out. If I thought it really played out to a Nicole victory I would rather she kept Tommy but it does not.

Yes I guess from her perspective though likely taking 2nd even to a POS like Tommy (or to Jackson) is better financially and otherwise than 3rd and nothing though.
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10-09-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by GMan42
Nicole is still $50k richer in your scenario where Tommy wins everything. You can't argue that her equity goes way up if she keeps Tommy around instead of Holly.
It can be argued
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10-09-2019 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by King~of~Diamonds
It can be argued
By dummies. Her win equity was by far most directly tied to getting both her AND cliff to F2 and the only way to get there is to get to F3 first. The 50K 2nd equity is the cherry on top. The math never ever works for not getting rid of Holly.
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10-09-2019 , 10:31 PM
Did I miss something on tommy being a total POS?
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