If Clicole really commit themselves to tanking Michie, they will definitely be able to do it. Most people in the jury really respect Cliff. Their input will go a long way

Cliff and Nicole are losers. They’ve always been losers and they will always be losers. Hey, at least they get a participation trophy.

I hate bitter juries in Survivor, but usually root for them in BB. Probably my semi- irrational old man’s hate of entitled millennials.

How can you not?

Here is what I would say to all people who think "good" people should win Big Brother. Put your ****ing money where your ***ing mouth is. When you have what feels like the choice between losing to Tommy or losing to Michie, choose to ****ing lose to Tommy. And if you don't do that, then shut the **** up about "good" people. ****!

How is Jackson playing a "dirty" game when he stayed loyal to his girlfriend instead of voting her out? Morons. I don't even like this ****er, and I feel compelled to defend him.

The object of Big Brother is to identify the people who are more likable and talented than you are and make sure those people get voted out. It's kind of a shitty game.

I mean completely making up the story about the Tommy deal was pretty low, definitely a couple steps lower than most contestants would stoop. Although I'd call it "ruthless" more than "dirty".

I'm also fine with him winning despite being a douche.

I just can't understand why Nicole felt the need to get everyone in the same room and try to suss out who was telling the truth. IT'S IN TOMMY'S AND EVERYONE ELSES (SAVE HOLLY'S) BEST INTERESTS TO GET MICHIE OUT. Even if Tommy DID tell Michie he'd be willing to work with him, it was exactly like Nicole and Cliff telling Michie they wanted to be final four with Michie and Holly. They didn't want Michie and Holly voting them out, so they told them what they wanted to hear while they were in power. Now they want to make a new deal, so they blackmail a new deal by saying they are thinking about keeping Tommy. BUT, Michie is the villain if he doesn't stick to this new blackmailed deal. Eye****ingroll.

Big Brother is a game where people go into it expecting to get lied to, but then are like OMG when it happens to THEM. It would be similar to a UFC guy stepping into the ring and crying foul because he got punched in the face.

I think the problem with Michie is that he is SOOOOOOO adamant about his word being his bond, and being so full of integrity, and then trying to justify the outright lying he has done in the past week.

I don't have a problem with him lying at all. Its part of the game. But building a glass tower for yourself to look down upon everyone from just seems like self righteous bullshit. Don't justify, just say "Yes, I lied to you. My word is not my bond with you because I don't think you deserve it. So I lied to you in order to get farther." Saying "You forced me to lie to you by your actions, therefore my integrity is still completely intact because this is all your fault" is just straight up bullshit by a guy who feels he has to be better than everyone.

No I hear ya. It's just that the lying is usually pretty self-contained in little private convos and then the people have to figure out for themselves what the truth is. Michie did ramp that up another notch by calling Tommy a liar to his face and acting like he was willing to come to blows over it. And good for him that he pulled it off.

As for why Nicole wanted the meeting to help her figure it out, I guess she was thinking if she got duped by Tommy she could wind up in a F3 with a strongly allied Michie/Tommy, which might be even more dismal for her chances than Michie/Holly just because of competition strength (although I think people have been overestimating Tommy's prowess a lot).

I think that's just posturing for jury votes though, just like his rationale for "turning on" Cliff: "Totally woulda stuck with you bro, but I was just forced to betray your trust once you betrayed mine. Hope you understand, love ya forever k?"

He seems to carry it into the DR with him too though, and thats the dividing line for me. You aren't campaigning for jury votes in the DR, and those interviews should be 100% the unfettered truth. I think he believes his own BS in this situation.

This is true. Although DR stuff is a lot about narratives and what kind of edit the producers want to put out for the TV-only viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if it's more than just producers asking questions but going with much more leading stuff like "we want a clip of you talking about this."

To be fair, it seemed like Michie tried to approach Cliff and Nicole privately to have a mostly standard 'lie about someone else behind his back' conversation. Of course, an argument can be made that he should have known that wasn't going to fly because Nicole already had a track record for wanting to get everyone in the same room to hash out issues. He had to know at minimum they were likely to confront Tommy about it and it would circle around to Tommy confronting him.

I still have a hard time understanding how Cliff and Nicole come up with the conclusion Tommy was not being truthful about pledging to do something that is in his best interests, while apparently believing Michie IS willing to do something that is not is his best interests.

All good points.

But again, to be fair. When Michie and Holly were in control of the house in back to back weeks, Cliff and Nicole said they were completely fine with a final four deal with those two. And naturally, when it came down to it, they thought maybe they should give some thought to what might actually be in their own best interests once they were in the position of power. So they considered keeping Tommy, and used the possibility of keeping Tommy to make deals with Tommy AND Michie with absolutely no thought to the irony of the situation. Like there was no possibility that Tommy and/or Michie might make these deals and then just do what was actually better for themselves once they had the ability to do so. You know, like they were doing. On the surface, there is some basis for Michie's justification of his actions. Could he be less of a douche about it? Maybe, but it seems to be in his nature.

The really crazy thing to me is that Cliff and Nicole somehow convinced themselves that the 'honorable' thing for Michie to do in the situation he was in was to vote out the person who has been most loyal to him the entire game. The person he's been sleeping with. The person he's supposed to care about. Voting Holly out would be the worst thing for Michie's game AND the most scumbag thing he could do on a personal level, and yet that's what Cliff and Nicole thought he was going to do and what he should do. It baffles me.

Not sure why people are suffenly anti Cliff.
Nothing he did at final 4 was bad game play. Having a deal with Michie? That’s called a freeroll. Of course michie evicted him

He tanked himself at f6 and f5. Sure

How about telling Holly that she "could" compete in veto but only if she would evict Michie if she would win? This one probably didnt matter but Cliff telling Michie that he wanted Michie to bring him to F2 but that he himself would bring Nicole doesnt seem smart in any sense.

Btw, how big of a douche did Nick look like?

Mostly he’s just delusional that any of his f4 “deals” would ever work.

Also, big lols at anyone saying tommy/cliff/Nichole have a 75% chance of beating Michie at f4 veto. Michie is a comp beast, and probably 50%+ to win vs those 3.

Late, but I agree with every point you made in this post, especially regarding Bella, Jackson's moral low point, and how Jackson's mom probably thinks everyone loves him.

Makes me think back to the first time Rupert received a vote in Survivor S7 and was yelling "who the f voted for me?", as if he expected to go through the entire game without being voted for, and to be handed the title of Sole Survivor at the end.

Not just that, but the rest of the houseguests have been pretty awful at comps (especially Nicole).

Fair but the point of it is that it's all relative. By keeping Holly you have to fade her winning veto too, and get rid of any equity that Tommy gave you. So call it 50% vs. 20% or something, it was still just as huge a mistake, the exact numbers don't matter much.

Guessing Michie wins the vote comfortably, but who knows

Goddamn, why do they bring up the camp director thing right before the end? Clearly blindsided Michie with that, and he couldn’t even enjoy his win because he had no ****ing idea what was going on. I understand the optics are bad, but FFS it was 3 months ago!!

I totally agree; I actually felt bad for Michie. Clearly he couldn't enjoy his win, and I actually take issue with CBS even bringing up "some people" online felt like the 4 people he banished from the house at the start of the game had something to do with being racist, when he literally just chose the 3 other people who campaigned against him for camp director. It's the first week of the game and you're looking for literally any simple reason you can come up to banish 4 different people....I'm sure Michie has some things he needs to answer for, but this felt very unfair to him.

yes, i felt bad for him as well. Made for poor TV and obviously agree with his reason for the nominations.

he deserved to win.

Also is it just me or is jessica an absolute moron?