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Old 07-27-2015, 11:50 PM   #2326
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Apparently the twins are going to lead the revolution according to Jason. The people out of the loop are so out of the loop it's not even funny.
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Old 07-28-2015, 12:48 AM   #2327
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Apparently the twins are going to lead the revolution according to Jason. The people out of the loop are so out of the loop it's not even funny.
It's so frustrating because a better player would be able to get out of this situation. This is a spot where he should be thinking like Dan. He needs to isolate himself and just mentally work through all things that have happened and then work out a plan of action.

He'll have votes from James and Meg and needs three more. He is very unlikely to get JMac's vote or Steve's. So that means he'll need 3 more from Austin/Jiz/Shelli/Clay/Jackie. That gives him two angles, get Shelli and Clay on his side or get Austin and Jiz. I believe that if Jackie understands that Jason is more likely to go for Shay that she'll keep him.

I honestly think that if he goes about it right he could get Austin on his side. First step would be to apologize for breaking Austin's trust in regards to their convo and spin it so that he was only doing it because he thought he was a target and needed to build trust with Vanessa/give her a different target. Step two would be having a meeting with Austin, Liz/Julia, Meg, James and Jason. With the three of them talking about Dark Moon and that they were all approached to go up next to Liz and throw the comp. Explain that Austin was the main target but if the plan failed the rest of the Dark Moon alliance was fine if Liz was voted out. Appeal to Austin's knightly ambitions and reinforce that since the veto result Clay and Shelli have been saying that Austin and the twins are at the bottom of their "tiers of loyalty" and that to better his and Liz' game they should create something new together.

If they aren't convinced by that point he needs to have a house meeting and just go nuts throwing **** at Clay and Shelli. Jason should make everyone 100% aware that if he is still in the game his targets will be Clay and Shelli. Which is a good thing for people to believe because if they then keep him and Clay/Shelli win HoH they would have to waste it targeting Jason.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:14 AM   #2328
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I guess it wouldn't hurt to try but

Don't think Austin would be willing to go against Vanessa + even if he was he can't tell anyone, even tho twins b/c last time he did (Steve vote) it came out. Julia would side with Vanessa and Liz might as well.

I still think when its time to go against the alliance Austin and Shelli both think Vanessa would pick them.

Jason is going around telling everyone Shelli is the biggest threat no real reason to save him.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:27 AM   #2329
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I guess it wouldn't hurt to try but

Don't think Austin would be willing to go against Vanessa + even if he was he can't tell anyone, even tho twins b/c last time he did (Steve vote) it came out. Julia would side with Vanessa and Liz might as well.

I still think when its time to go against the alliance Austin and Shelli both think Vanessa would pick them.

Jason is going around telling everyone Shelli is the biggest threat no real reason to save him.
The twins are the key to getting Austin and if Jason is able to make them believe that Vanessa, Clay and Shelli were okay with Liz/Julia going home it would make them reconsider.

Alternatively Jason should reveal to Austin that Clay and Shelli have been telling everyone that Liz doesn't like him the way he does. Strategically it would be better to do it when Julia is in the house that way Liz isn't able to confirm/deny her feelings but multiple people are able to confirm that those things have been said. If Austin believe's it is true then his alliance have been keeping info from him and are still talking behind his back and if he thinks it is false he'll struggle to find a reason for them to be spreading lies like that.
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Old 07-28-2015, 01:34 AM   #2330
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure Austin/Liz already suspected she was the backup plan. (If POV wasn't used)

I still don't think they'd flip.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:01 AM   #2331
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Liz is telling Austin that she does not feel sorry for Jason. He has said a lot of hurtful things that Julia overheard.
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Old 07-28-2015, 02:53 AM   #2332
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Jackie just told Vanessa that no one picked Clay to go against someone in the HOH comp because Clay was in with "the house" to get Austin out. That could be the first important thing that has come up in 2 hours of them talking.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:39 AM   #2333
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Shelli/Clay are taking heavy heat for this. Jason/James are crucifying Shelli/Clay in the backyard talking about how they are behind it all & James is saying he will target those two. That leaves Vanessa in the perfect spot having Clelly as bigger targets & also having Austin/twins as bigger targets while she sits pretty in the middle.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:16 AM   #2334
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I'm not watching the feeds but from what I am reading on here, coupled with what I've seen on BB after dark I think Vanessa is playing the best game so far. I think she ships this thing.

I also like Steve to go deep with her. Flying under the radar and she will use him later to great effect.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:32 PM   #2335
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Shelli to Clay- I'm worried about Vanessa right now. I'm worried that she is forming relationships she is not going to tell us about.

It's interesting but don't think this means anything at this time.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:35 PM   #2336
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Shelli to Clay- I'm worried about Vanessa right now. I'm worried that she is forming relationships she is not going to tell us about.

It's interesting but don't think this means anything at this time.
It's funny because they are the ones with relationships with everyone. Since they have relationships with everyone, Meg Jackie etc are more mad at them than Vanessa for getting Jason out. This is making them more likely to be targeted than Vanessa which is why I think it is bad to have a connection with every single person. If Shelli or Clay wins HOH it would be pretty bad for them.

Shelli's biggest worry in life is being in the house without Clay. This worry is making her play the game worse and worse.
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Old 07-28-2015, 06:43 PM   #2337
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

This is another reason why I hate Shelli. Vanessa said to her we all have to take the heat and she agreed. Now Shelli is getting a little heat for this and she is running scared. Vanessa also said we all have to do damage control, people are going to try to pin us against each other so we have to build relationships with everyone but we will know what they are doing and we won't worry about it we trust each other no matter what. Shelli agreed and now she is using this against Vanessa to Clay.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:24 PM   #2338
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I still don't think it means a ton b/c if Shelli/Clay win HOH it wouldn't make sense to target Vanessa. Being friends is always nice but if you get to close it can hurt worse if you go against them. I think it be great for Vanessa if Clay some how went out without her doing anything.
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Old 07-28-2015, 07:33 PM   #2339
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I still don't think it means a ton b/c if Shelli/Clay win HOH it wouldn't make sense to target Vanessa. Being friends is always nice but if you get to close it can hurt worse if you go against them. I think it be great for Vanessa if Clay some how went out without her doing anything.
Agree. I just think Shelli would turn on Vanessa if say a Meg or Jackie won HOH where Vanessa would never turn on Shelli for a while.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:17 PM   #2340
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They think Vanessa will join them if they put Shelli/Clay up.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:29 PM   #2341
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Jason pissed he's getting beat by recruits.

Well play better then.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:32 PM   #2342
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Jason just doesn't have the heart to play the game. He should be trying to figure out a way to turn the house against Becky, but instead he's given up because he doesn't want to go against her.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:32 PM   #2343
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They think Vanessa will join them if they put Shelli/Clay up.
Who Meg and Jackie? I haven't been listening to their convos but that makes sense.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:36 PM   #2344
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I guess they are buying into Vanessa's weak crying emotional solo dolo?
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:37 PM   #2345
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Yea Meg/Jackie/James/Jason were talking.

Meg also mentioned they might be reading to much into Austin/twins side and they might not be part of it.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:38 PM   #2346
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Wow Jason's turned into a bigger whiner than normal. Loved it when Jackie told him that he's done way more in the game than clay shelli and Vanessa lol. These guys are clueless:
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Jackie thinks she's good. They are so terrible.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:43 PM   #2348
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

My mother in law says at least Shelli has a heart. She says Vanessa talks to fast. She doesn't seem to care for Austin.
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Old 07-28-2015, 08:47 PM   #2349
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Shelli is the fakest person. I can see right through her but a lot of people buy into it. The only reason she has a heart is so she isn't hated by America. She wants to be Jeff and Jordan but she is not even close.
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Old 07-28-2015, 09:40 PM   #2350
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Shelli is the fakest person. I can see right through her but a lot of people buy into it. The only reason she has a heart is so she isn't hated by America. She wants to be Jeff and Jordan but she is not even close.
I thought the crying/being upset about putting up Audrey seemed forced so America wouldn't hate her for sending home the transgender girl. She really wanted to make it seem like it really hurt her to do it, I just didn't see that level of confliction from her on the feeds.
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