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Old 07-26-2015, 03:45 PM   #2126
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Is the pov ceremony today?
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:12 PM   #2127
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Vanessa has a reason! She can prove Jackie had the phone booth and not Day, chose herself to not vote, and this is why she has to go!
I haven't seen that footage yet but sounds like a stretch? Why can't she just use "I was informed by the house that they don't want Austin to go home/go up. I have to put someone else up and i feel you jackie are gunning for me. For taking out Jeff and now for not following through on getting Austin out. It's been obvious this whole game that you're not on my side. You never talk game with me. I even tried to make a deal with you last week to not put each other up and you declined which worries me. So i'm sorry but i can't stand by my promise to not backdoor you. It was not my original intention. I feel terrible for doing it. I didn't even want the HOH this week but circumstances have brought us here. My game chances of survival would drastically go down by keeping you in the game. I have to do what's best for my game. It's nothing personal."
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:22 PM   #2128
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I haven't seen that footage yet but sounds like a stretch? Why can't she just use "I was informed by the house that they don't want Austin to go home/go up. I have to put someone else up and i feel you jackie are gunning for me. For taking out Jeff and now for not following through on getting Austin out. It's been obvious this whole game that you're not on my side. You never talk game with me. I even tried to make a deal with you last week to not put each other up and you declined which worries me. So i'm sorry but i can't stand by my promise to not backdoor you. It was not my original intention. I feel terrible for doing it. I didn't even want the HOH this week but circumstances have brought us here. My game chances of survival would drastically go down by keeping you in the game. I have to do what's best for my game. It's nothing personal."
I was joking. It's absurd. It's not true and even if it was who cares?
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:40 PM   #2129
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I need a reason
I need a reason
I need a reason
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:45 PM   #2130
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Steve is having a great day.
Yep. He's batting a 1,000 today. He said everything right in the HN room with Shelli and Clay. His stock in this game has risen dramatically. It's amazing how fast people go from the outhouse to the penthouse this season.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:47 PM   #2131
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Vanessa is a mess.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:51 PM   #2132
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I was joking. It's absurd. It's not true and even if it was who cares?

Ok. I thought it was a joke when i first read it. But then knowing this group needing reasons i wouldn't put anything past them.
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Old 07-26-2015, 04:56 PM   #2133
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Vanessa needs to get over the whole lying thing. It's impossible to play this game without lying from time to time, even to your alliance.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:00 PM   #2134
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She's so paranoid about old votes who are on the other side and shes giving certain people to much credit for being masterminds.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:09 PM   #2135
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Vanessa said Steve had the last laugh in the phone booth because his feet are twitching. That means he's lying.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:14 PM   #2136
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Vanessa is a mess.
She's entertaining though.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:34 PM   #2137
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Vanessa is funny. She's like 0 for whatever on her conspiracies. And it's completely obvious that Shelly farted, see how fast she tried to change the subject?
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:36 PM   #2138
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vanessa isn't real life dumb. she's a poker pro that went to Duke. so any knocks on her intelligence is with a huge grain of salt. she's doing some dumb things though.

I NEED A REASON is because of poker. she's constructing bluffs, and they have to be logical in her day job. the problem is that BB bluffs are more complex than a single poker hand, so she's scrambling to double check every fact and lie. this is why being a liar in real life is not worth it. it's too complex and eventually people talk and you develop a reputation as someone untrustworthy. in BB, vanessa is very untrustworthy, but the house doesn't quite comprehend the extent of her lies. vanessa knows she's lying/bluffing constantly, so that's why vanessa is scrambling so hard. trying to make sure the interactions and stories among the 13 people in the house all make sense.

she's also overly concerned with small lies in other people's stories, when they're supposed to be loyal. she's outleveling herself and believes it's a sign there are bigger lies behind it, because that's what she or any legit poker player would do. so steve, austin and audrey have given her huge headaches, making her doubt everything. on top of that, she's a horrible read of people. real life lies aren't poker hands. poker players are horrible at judging social interactions and cues, especially because they overestimate how their ability to read bluffs will translate into real life lies. they mostly don't.

all that said, vanessa is clearly the best strategist in the house. i'm still rooting for her, because of that. i like jason's snark too, so i wouldn't mind if he won. the rest of the house can cuddle with austin in eternity. vanessa will pull this off and meg will continue believing some dumb ****.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:40 PM   #2139
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

now that I got this figured out 100% without a doubt, it's time to find a reason!
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:47 PM   #2140
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vanessa isn't real life dumb. she's a poker pro that went to Duke. so any knocks on her intelligence is with a huge grain of salt. she's doing some dumb things though.

I NEED A REASON is because of poker. she's constructing bluffs, and they have to be logical in her day job. the problem is that BB bluffs are more complex than a single poker hand, so she's scrambling to double check every fact and lie. this is why being a liar in real life is not worth it. it's too complex and eventually people talk and you develop a reputation as someone untrustworthy. in BB, vanessa is very untrustworthy, but the house doesn't quite comprehend the extent of her lies. vanessa knows she's lying/bluffing constantly, so that's why vanessa is scrambling so hard. trying to make sure the interactions and stories among the 13 people in the house all make sense.

she's also overly concerned with small lies in other people's stories, when they're supposed to be loyal. she's outleveling herself and believes it's a sign there are bigger lies behind it, because that's what she or any legit poker player would do. so steve, austin and audrey have given her huge headaches, making her doubt everything. on top of that, she's a horrible read of people. real life lies aren't poker hands. poker players are horrible at judging social interactions and cues, especially because they overestimate how their ability to read bluffs will translate into real life lies. they mostly don't.

all that said, vanessa is clearly the best strategist in the house. i'm still rooting for her, because of that. i like jason's snark too, so i wouldn't mind if he won. the rest of the house can cuddle with austin in eternity. vanessa will pull this off and meg will continue believing some dumb ****.
Couldn't agree more. I said from the beginning one of Vanessa's biggest flaws is she is leveling herself. These people aren't nearly as smart as she thinks they are. You said it way better than I did though.
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Old 07-26-2015, 05:50 PM   #2141
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Shelli: Jackie told me there's an alliance with her James Meg and Jason
Vanessa: Great now the last laugh from 3 weeks ago is our reason.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:34 PM   #2142
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

What's up with Vanessa's eye makeup? Does it ever come off
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:40 PM   #2143
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What's up with Vanessa's eye makeup? Does it ever come off
When it comes off she puts her sunglasses on.
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:42 PM   #2144
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it'd be cool if there was a way you could buy/sell stocks in each player as the summer goes on. the markets would change so rapidly
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Old 07-26-2015, 06:58 PM   #2145
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It's quite amusing to see Austin scampering around to look for reasons so Vanessa won't put him up. Vanessa needs to man up and just put up Jackie ffs. She's torturing him.
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Old 07-26-2015, 08:41 PM   #2146
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Clay really is the worst. Telling Johnny Mac even if they win an HOH and we win an HOH we can throw it and we have the votes. Clay, he thinks your alliance is you Shelli Johnny and Jackie. Whenever Clay talks without Shelli he's like Austin talking without Vanessa.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:18 PM   #2147
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When the feeds come back Vanessa is gonna be drunk and she's going to have the talk to find out who's lying about the last laugh. This should be good.
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:39 PM   #2148
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So if POV happened right now who would go up?
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:45 PM   #2149
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Jason 45% Jackie 45% Austin 5% Meg 2% other 3%
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Old 07-26-2015, 09:49 PM   #2150
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Okay who would you target?

My vote is Jason just because he knows the most about the game.
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