If they tell Liz the plan she might take it as plan A was her. She already thinks James was throwing it.

If Liz wins veto and they tell her anything other than that they're planning to backdoor Steve then they're pretty dumb imo

No one wants to tell her except Vanessa who already told Julia.

That being said Vanessa will be the one to tell her if she gets told.

Clay won

I guess the only drama is if Vanessa tells Liz before POV is used.

It's going to suck if Austin figures out the plan before the veto meeting.

Definitely will suck. I want Vanessa to mention Judas in her speech and Austin to immediately realize oh ****.

I don't understand why there's such an urgent need to get Austin out of the house with so many people left if you're Vanessa. He lied but he's not coming for you yet and won't be for a while. This Dark Moon alliance won't last just like all the 5000 alliances that have been made the last few weeks. No one in the house can keep their mouths shut and have thrown everyone utb to save themselves. These people have no loyalty whatsoever. Don't like it one bit for Vanessa.

Me neither. This is all because she is scared Jackie would've backdoored her.She should've said I'll do the plan but I can't put out Austin if I remain HOH so I have to go with Steve and we can get Austin next week.

Yea Austin won't target her but she's kinda in a tricky spot b/c everyone thinks Austin going up and will piss a ton of people off if she doesn't do it.

They should have just stuck with the Sixth Sense alliance and picked off Austin later. Now they've brought the whole other side of the house back into the game.

Yea Audrey goes then Austin then either Liz or Julia not looking good for them.

I feel if she doesn't put Austin up Meg,James,Jason,Becky,John,Jackie,Steve,Clay,Shell i will be pretty mad at her.

As of now "the house" changed their minds to wanting Steve out before either twin so they don't have to be in jury with him.

Vanessa about to tell Liz. LOL

Vanessa is the worst.

Please tell Austin.

Hey I'll break up my own alliance and then immediately do the exact thing I told my new alliance I wouldn't do when there is a 95% chance of it coming out. If she was going to tell Liz she should have asked when are you switching and if before veto meeting tell her at the last possible second.

Is she going to do this while wearing mudface? lol

edit: oh I guess she already did, switched too late

She didn't do it yet.

The whole thing was mishandled from the start. There isn't much time between winning the HOH & putting up nominations. Van/Shelli/Clay just didn't put together a solid plan on what they wanted to do and how to handle conversations with Jackie & the rest of the house to cover their bases. There were so many more optimal lines they could've taken while manipulating Jackie & the house.

You have to think fast in these spots and it seemed like Vanessa just panicked and went the easy route to go with what the house wanted. Where is the calculated manipulation?

Austin is willing to give up his game and fall on the sword for Liz. 100% she tells him. He's really the only person besides her sister that she can trust. Not to mention she already suspected that James threw the BOB so there was a chance she was the target.

Is season 16 the only season Vanessa really watched? She keeps saying I don't have a partner and everyone else does even when she is alone. She might think that is the only/best way to get to then end and she has tried to make final 2s with everyone. Maybe she wants Austin out cause of this? Once he goes and a twin goes she has a final 2 with the leftover twin? I can't understand any of this plan I'm just spit balling.

Btw Liz already told Austin the one thing Julia told her which was by talking to Jason he as trying to break them up so there's no way she doesn't tell him what Vanessa tells her.

Vanessa already told Jackie she is going to tell Liz. This girl