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Old 07-18-2015, 07:24 PM   #1351
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

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Thanks, that's kind of what I figured. Seems like a waste that will probably come back to hurt them. Audrey is volatile, but she's containable. Jason is the one person on the other side who could rally some troops.

And I do enjoy watching Audrey play more than anyone else.
I agree a waste. The way Shell and Clay were talking last night their might not be the other side of the house anymore as will consider working with some of them. That the only one they plan on keeping for sure is Vanessa. Vanessa is still in an ok position but i think if they break things up it will hurt Vanessa some as she has less strong ties(and losing Austin and twins would lose her strong ties there) to the Jason, Meg, James, John than Shelly and Clay do. Shelly and Clay are considering getting rid of Austin. Vanessa at first wasn't supporting him much in defense but than today basically said "he's a f up but a good guy and is on our side" which is enough to give him a reprieve at least for the moment.

It would be a mistake i think to break it up for Shelly, Clay, and Vanessa as it would look less like a strong hold alliance taking people out week after week to just one true 3 man alliance Shelly Clay, Vanessa(that the remaining players could look to break) with 12 players left if they don't evict Jason and stick to the plan.
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Old 07-18-2015, 07:26 PM   #1352
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Audrey also makes playful comments towards Clay all the time which he doesn't love.

Audrey not the type to go quietly but can't picture a way she gets votes.

IMO people are overrating Jason. He doesn't even try to build relationships.
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Old 07-18-2015, 07:50 PM   #1353
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POV time. If Vanessa or Shelli win come Monday they probably keep noms the same.
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Old 07-18-2015, 08:06 PM   #1354
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Vanessa should throw it. She doesn't gain anything by winning it except looking like a stronger competitor.
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:00 PM   #1355
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It probably a prize veto so I'm guessing everyone throws it to Jason or Johnny
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:37 PM   #1356
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I don't think she can be managed. She is just too paranoid and too volatile to have in your alliance. Though, I agree that Jason is a bigger threat, I could see him flipping the house if he gets HOH. Everyone else just kinda sucks.
But the only waves she can make are in her own personal whirlpool. You gotta boot her at some point, but it's pretty short-sighted to do it now. It's not like you're going to remove the target from Shay. You're better off building a fortress rather than thinking "we're gonna be house hero after we backdoor Audrey."
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:41 PM   #1357
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IMO people are overrating Jason. He doesn't even try to build relationships.
He doesn't need strong relationships right now. He just needs to wait for the right moment to band the misfits together. He's more likely to do it than Steve, or anyone else.
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:51 PM   #1358
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Audrey is a loose cannon with no loyalty, and is incapable of owning any of her actions. She's a legit fruit cake. This isn't the type of person you want on your side, or against you
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:08 PM   #1359
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Vanessa won veto
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:09 PM   #1360
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He doesn't need strong relationships right now. He just needs to wait for the right moment to band the misfits together. He's more likely to do it than Steve, or anyone else.
The problem is he doesn't like the misfits. 50/50 chance he's gone Thursday so yea.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:11 PM   #1361
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Audrey is a loose cannon with no loyalty, and is incapable of owning any of her actions. She's a legit fruit cake. This isn't the type of person you want on your side, or against you
But literally everyone in the house is aware of it, which makes her an ineffectual island. It's not a terrible play to eliminate her, but the Sixth Sense alliance is already considering eating each other, the house is fractured.

I'd take out someone who is a legit threat. Audrey is on top of the game more than anyone in the house and shares her knowledge with Shell and Clay, who aren't exactly masterminds. I'd keep her around as a buffer and advisor, just don't count on her vote.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:14 PM   #1362
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Vanessa got pov
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:14 PM   #1363
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The problem is he doesn't like the misfits. 50/50 chance he's gone Thursday so yea.
Do you think Andy liked Ginamarie, Spencer, or Judd that much?
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:21 PM   #1364
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Vanessa won veto
She should keep the noms the same. Should realize having Jason leave is more important than getting Audrey out. There is a chance she could work with jason down the road but there's a bigger chance it keeps the other side in the game and start targeting Austin, Liz, then her. Keeping the other side in play weakens her game power ranking as she has no ties to them. In fact might have some enemies as she took out Jeff and targeted james.

She's an emotional person so revenge will be on her mind more initially wanting to take Audrey out. She does have some time to cool down and think about it to possibly change her mind. Maybe she will use the excuse of "i don't want to be the person to take out a transgender card again" Let the other side of the house take out Audrey if they ever win an HOH. This was a lucky pov for Audrey as Vanessa might be the one person(maybe shelli) to not use it.

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Old 07-18-2015, 10:33 PM   #1365
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If Vanessa doesn't use the pov, the other side will be gunning for her, shelli and clay. They've already let it known that Audrey was a very likely Blackfoot option to James and Meg, which then got back to Jason. If she doesn't use it, they'll be pissed.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:36 PM   #1366
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She should use it on Jason.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:38 PM   #1367
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Nah she should use it on Johnny since she made that deal with him last week
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:39 PM   #1368
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If Vanessa doesn't use the pov, the other side will be gunning for her, shelli and clay. They've already let it known that Audrey was a very likely Blackfoot option to James and Meg, which then got back to Jason. If she doesn't use it, they'll be pissed.
What other side? Jason is the glue after jeff to the other side. Meg really is but she can't win comps and will jump ship for a better deal for sure. The rest are floaters. Shelly and Clay are most loyal to Vanessa so if she doesn't use it they will support her on the decision. Shelli can be easily talked into not being the one to take out Audrey as she doesn't want to be the one. Other side of house were pissed at taking out jeff too(if they gonna target her that would be the one to do it for as james and meg were tight with him) doesn't mean they can do anything about it but except it and look to stay off the radar and stay in the game. If Vanessa uses it this may be where she messes up her game.

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Old 07-18-2015, 10:40 PM   #1369
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I forgot about the deal. Did she say she would use veto on him? If she did then yeah she should use it on Johnny.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:44 PM   #1370
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Vanessa giving away all kinds of tells to Audrey, lol. She won't even make eye contact with her.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:47 PM   #1371
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What other side? Jason is the glue after jeff to the other side. Meg really is but she can't win comps and will jump ship for a better deal for sure. The rest are floaters. Shelly and Clay are most loyal to Vanessa so if she doesn't use it they will support her on the decision. Shelli can be easily talked into not being the one to take out Audrey as she doesn't want to be the one. They were pissed at taking out jeff too(if they gonna target her that would be the one to do it for as james and meg were tight with him) doesn't mean they can do anything about it but except it and look to stay off the radar and stay in the game. If Vanessa uses it this may be where she messes up her game.
All I'm saying is that if she doesn't use it, and Meg, Jason, Jackie, James or Becky gets hoh, it's likely either clay, shelli or Vanessa going home
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:55 PM   #1372
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All I'm saying is that if she doesn't use it, and Meg, Jason, Jackie, James or Becky gets hoh, it's likely either clay, shelli or Vanessa going home
But if she *does* use it to backdoor Audrey and one of those four gets HOH, then they're safe? Not a chance.

Audrey went past being the "if you don't boot her, you're a target" point here. Those were the Day/Jeff parting shots. Now she's the obvious "we don't want to get blood on our hands" safe evict.
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:13 PM   #1373
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All I'm saying is that if she doesn't use it, and Meg, Jason, Jackie, James or Becky gets hoh, it's likely either clay, shelli or Vanessa going home
Jason would be gone because John has more support.

The other side of the house(especially if Jason goes) isn't really an alliance anymore. It's Jackie by herself whose friendly with Becky. Jackie thinks she friendly with Shelli and Clay. So doubtful she looks to target them as she's looking more to work with them as she had an alliance with them before. Its Meg and James and james has been getting closer to shelli and clay. Becky by herself(maybe with John). I hear what you're saying. Originally thought you meant Shelli and Clay would be mad if Vanessa didn't change the noms and want to target Vanessa along with other side of the house. Most likely target next week for other side would be Audrey, Steve, Liz, or Austin.

If Jason stays he's made it known his targets are Austin, Steve, Liz all of which isn't good for Vanessa. I don't know if Vanessa knows that though as Jason told Shelli and Clay that last night. If shelli tells Vanessa where jason's heads at i think she will keep them the same.

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Old 07-18-2015, 11:18 PM   #1374
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But if she *does* use it to backdoor Audrey and one of those four gets HOH, then they're safe? Not a chance.

Audrey went past being the "if you don't boot her, you're a target" point here. Those were the Day/Jeff parting shots. Now she's the obvious "we don't want to get blood on our hands" safe evict.
Right. All Vanessa would be doing by using it and putting Audrey up to go home is keeping safe 1 player from the other side(which keeps the enemy stronger) that plans or targeting her or people she works with. Most likely Austin, Steve, and Liz.

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Old 07-19-2015, 12:30 AM   #1375
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Vanessa's talking to Jason about a deal. I guess she's completely forgotten the one she had with Johnny.
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