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Old 07-11-2015, 01:51 AM   #801
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Well I just saw that Becky now heard that Jeff was telling them to put her up so I think she'll be happy if him or James goes and won't be mad.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:13 AM   #802
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Could be interesting to see how Vanessa finds out/reacts to finding out Johnny is going to choose Jeff if he gets houseguest choice.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:34 AM   #803
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Jeff really is not good at the game. Gets worse and worse.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:48 AM   #804
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Vanessa really has to get Jeff out and not James. If Vanessa and Austin go on the block next week Jeff would convince the house to keep Austin while James wouldn't.
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Old 07-11-2015, 05:51 AM   #805
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Well I just saw that Becky now heard that Jeff was telling them to put her up so I think she'll be happy if him or James goes and won't be mad.
How does Liz/Van/Austin form the 6 man alliance with Shelli/Clay/Steve without any of them realizing they were already in alliance with Liz/Van/Austin? If they find out Shelli, Clay, and Steve will realize they were lied to even it be white lie as both parties had a common enemy.

I love watching Steve in HOH room in his element discuss strategy and or how to create trust with other BB houseguests. Luckily for him Vanessa took a chance on him or we would have never seen his talent. He woulda went right out the door before jury and looked like a terrible player/dummy because of his social skills not allowing him to form relationships.

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Jeff really is not good at the game. Gets worse and worse.
Great seed planter/manipulator. But went overboard trying to plant too many seeds. Eventually someone's gonna find out your planting seeds/speaking negative about them/lying when you do it too often to too many people.

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Old 07-11-2015, 02:07 PM   #806
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Vanessa just overplaying. Wants Audrey to start a house meeting and make believe she believes her and that's why she won't put Audrey up. Umm Vanessa if you tell the house you trust Audrey you're going to be a target now too.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:30 PM   #807
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

As I see it Vanessa's problem is going to be that even if things go to plan and it does get down to the 6 of them, Clay and Shelli are going to stick together obv, and Austin will side with the twins, leaving Vanessa out in the cold. She has no one who will be loyal with her to the end.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:31 PM   #808
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As I see it Vanessa's problem is going to be that even if things go to plan and it does get down to the 6 of them, Clay and Shelli are going to stick together obv, and Austin will side with the twins, leaving Vanessa out in the cold. She has no one who will be loyal with her to the end.
Well Clay will go before Shelli and Austin will go before the twins and she's the glue that holds them all together. I think the bigger problem is if it's Vanessa vs anyone from her alliance on the block together she will go home if Jeff stays this week. Besides maybe Shelli.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:32 PM   #809
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Vanessa just overplaying. Wants Audrey to start a house meeting and make believe she believes her and that's why she won't put Audrey up. Umm Vanessa if you tell the house you trust Audrey you're going to be a target now too.
I don't think it matters much as Vanessa's already gonna have a target anyway if she sends anyone home other than Audrey as she has told everyone she would. At least this would slightly help her as it looks like she didn't lie to them but having second thoughts now because she doesn't know what to believe. If she sends James or jeff home the other side knows it's an attack and she'll have blood anyway. But at some point you have to have blood. I think better to take out Jeff as James isn't as good/cunning to motivate the floaters in a revolution against Vanessa's team as Jeff would. Floaters more likely to scurry like cockroaches and try to make deals from team Vanessa to make sure of jury. I think people overestimate James for being a comp beast good player. Jeff is the dangerous player because of his manipulation skills.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:51 PM   #810
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The house thinks Shelli and Clay are manipulating her nominations. So if Audrey stays the house thinks Shelli and Clay were involved. I just think that she's making a bigger target for herself if she tells them she trusts Audrey and the house may think maybe Shelli and Clay didn't control her. But since Shelli didn't put up Audrey last week the house might think Shelli also manipulated Vanessa to trust Audrey but that's all based on the house's perception and not the reason Vanessa is having this meeting. I think it's a big mistake but it might not matter in the long run depending on how the house interprets it and the target on Vanessa might be the same either way just as you said.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:55 PM   #811
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Vanessa just overplaying. Wants Audrey to start a house meeting and make believe she believes her and that's why she won't put Audrey up. Umm Vanessa if you tell the house you trust Audrey you're going to be a target now too.
I think the overplaying part they did was forming the "freaks and geeks" alliance with Steve and not telling Shelli and Clay. Because if Clay and Shelli find that out it will look like Vanessa/Austin and twins were conspiring against them. They should have just initially went to Shelli and Clay telling them we can trust Steve and just bring him in straight away to avoid distrust. Hopefully for it will be ok(or noone ever realizes it) as they all need each other to go deep. And they can't trust the other side to get them deep. It may hurt Vanessa when get to top 7 as there would be a chance shellclay might use the excuse that Vanessa made a separate alliance so we don't have to honor their agreement to take her to top 3 as anyone who takes Vanessa head to head on finale day will lose.
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Old 07-11-2015, 02:59 PM   #812
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I think the overplaying part they did was forming the "freaks and geeks" alliance with Steve and not telling Shelli and Clay. Because if Clay and Shelli find that out it will look like Vanessa/Austin and twins were conspiring against them. They should have just went to Shelli and Clay straight away telling them we can trust Steve and just bring him in straight away. Hopefully it will be ok as they all need each other to go deep. And they can't trust the other side to get them deep. It may hurt Vanessa when get to top 7 as there would be a chance shellclay might use the excuse that Vanessa made a separate alliance so we don't have to honor their agreement to take her to top 3 as anyone who takes Vanessa head to head on finale day will lose.
Yeah I said that too. They're going to make an alliance with all of them today but they don't want to make it look like they're forcing Steve on them. At the same time the Shelli Clay Jeff Johnny Jackie alliance is being hidden from Vanessa so in a way I hope John get houseguest choice in the veto meeting because he's going to pick Jeff which will raise red flags.
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:07 PM   #813
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Does John really think that alliance is real? Jeff just started talking when John walked in. It could of been anyone and Jeff would make an alliance.
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:08 PM   #814
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Hmm John got houseguest choice and I think chose Austin. He told Jeff yesterday he was going to pick him though. Audrey also got picked.
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:10 PM   #815
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Yeah I said that too. They're going to make an alliance with all of them today but they don't want to make it look like they're forcing Steve on them. At the same time the Shelli Clay Jeff Johnny Jackie alliance is being hidden from Vanessa so in a way I hope John get houseguest choice in the veto meeting because he's going to pick Jeff which will raise red flags.
Right. Oh forgot you said that as well.

Now that you bring that alliance up(almost forgot it as they never convene and shellclay don't honor it anymore as they see Jeff as a male Audrey) i think Jeff might out or threaten to out that alliance if they try to send him home to create dissension and or leverage to try and keep himself in the house.
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Old 07-11-2015, 03:19 PM   #816
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Does John really think that alliance is real? Jeff just started talking when John walked in. It could of been anyone and Jeff would make an alliance.
John's a smart guy i think he sees it like i'll play along as at least he has people not against him and wants to wait and see if they are trustworthy long term. He can easily be swayed to leave it if a better deal came along as opposed to that alliance because he knows he'd be the most expendable in that group as he just walked in to 2 couples/duos forming an alliance.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:02 PM   #817
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Vanessa keeps saying we have the votes next week if someone from the other side wins HOH. Does she not realize they could put 2 of them up?
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:05 PM   #818
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Guessing not ha.

Vanessa telling Audrey not to use POV if she wins which means she will.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:06 PM   #819
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Vanessa just ruining her game by the minute.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:10 PM   #820
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Wtf V .... This is beyond uncomprehendable. There are no words
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:14 PM   #821
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Audrey has no idea how lies or memory works
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:19 PM   #822
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Vanessa should've took some hints from Derrick. This is the worst thing she could've done.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:21 PM   #823
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Own something for once in your life Audrey
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:22 PM   #824
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I'm starting to think she should of just got Audrey out and went in background.
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Old 07-11-2015, 04:23 PM   #825
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Funny how V was going to use this to help Audrey lol
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