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Old 09-16-2015, 07:40 AM   #6076
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

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excellent eviction drama
I avoided spoilers too so had no idea what was gonna happen. Pretty shocking as i thought it was gonna be steve leaving. Austin was in shock, excellent drama indeed.

Steve winning hoh and vanessa winning veto is awesome. Two of the most deserving and fun to watch players in final 3.

Also where would austin expect vanessa to get votes from if she took him or liz to final 2? Austwins would vote for each other. So if she lost his or liz and juila's votes as a result of last night it would have been votes she wouldn't have had anyway if she was up against one of them. Which she woulda been if she took them to final 3. I think he still may vote for her after he cools down unless up against liz. She may still take liz to final 2 as liz votes are only austin and julia for sure. I think steve is the last one she wants to take to final 2 as the other side may be tempted to vote for him as they like him more and he has played a good game. And austwins might vote steve too out of anger for vanessa. If she's against jmac or liz i can't see anyone in jury justifying one of them winning and would vote for vanessa.

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Old 09-16-2015, 08:34 AM   #6077
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

It would truly be a fitting cap to the season of Vanessa FPS drama if she somehow manages to convince herself to vote out Liz instead of JM.
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:22 AM   #6078
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I didn't see it but they say Steve had a full blown meltdown overnight bawling his eyes out and clutching a teddy bear. People even say he admitted to throwing the veto comp and was upset about that too.
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Old 09-16-2015, 09:45 AM   #6079
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:06 AM   #6080
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That's embarrassing
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Old 09-16-2015, 10:13 AM   #6081
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Steve's got it made when he leaves the house if he plays it right. He can probably **** anybody in his home town and in a lot of America he wants. People are obsessed with celebrity even it's only temporary.
He'll have to wear shades with a future like that. But what are the odds he plays it right?

Also, just think where we might be after 50 more years of feminism.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:01 AM   #6082
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He'll have to wear shades with a future like that. But what are the odds he plays it right?

Also, just think where we might be after 50 more years of feminism.
Did you see his hometown video a month or so ago? Those girls loved him. He's set. Now that may only last for a few months but it could be fun for him. He may be a wait till marriage kind of guy though.
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Old 09-16-2015, 11:15 AM   #6083
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Been saying it for weeks. If Vanessa sits final two, she wins it easy. Last nights eviction of Austin solidifies that. Everyone in the jury house minus Julia/Austin are giving her their vote.
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Old 09-16-2015, 12:30 PM   #6084
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Seems super obvious that Liz was just using Austin all along now. don't even think she cried when he was evicted.
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Old 09-16-2015, 01:03 PM   #6085
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Seems super obvious that Liz was just using Austin all along now. don't even think she cried when he was evicted.
Yeah she did. And Vanessa too. Although Vanessa's was probably fake.
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Old 09-16-2015, 02:27 PM   #6086
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In a exit interview Austin said he thought he'd beat everyone besides Liz and against Liz it be close.
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:10 PM   #6087
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That makes sense because he's said things like Vanessa isn't running the game as much as she thinks. Plus his view of him and Liz is not reality.
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Old 09-16-2015, 03:19 PM   #6088
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Austin also said his biggest mistake was trusting Vanessa when he never would have gotten past week 2 if it wasn't for her.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:16 PM   #6089
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I have a feeling she might keep Johnny.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:23 PM   #6090
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I honestly don't think it matters who Vanessa takes to final 2

Either the jury will be bitter towards her or they won't be but I think John has better chance beating her in HOH parts.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:40 PM   #6091
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Agree with that and also Steve would take Johnny and Johnny would maybe take Steve where Liz or Steve could each take Vanessa some % of the time.
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Old 09-16-2015, 04:40 PM   #6092
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But Austin is still oblivious to Vanessa running things so he can go into jury saying things like that. I don't know how he is oblivious being him and the twins called Vanessa the brains the whole time.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:01 PM   #6093
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I honestly don't think it matters who Vanessa takes to final 2

Either the jury will be bitter towards her or they won't be but I think John has better chance beating her in HOH parts.
Johnny has a much better chance of winning over the jury though. He's far more likable than Liz, plus they're going to see her as someone who holed up with Austin the whole game and rode his coattails without coming up with a single plan of her own. And I think Vanessa will see that and choose to keep Liz. Unless of course she overthinks it which is always a possibility.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:01 PM   #6094
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

He was just extremely bitter in the moment due to the blind side. He will get over it, and will give her his vote if she is sitting with non-liz
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:03 PM   #6095
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I hope so but in his twisted reality he helped Vanessa more than she helped him and he played the game better so he may be actually bitter.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:09 PM   #6096
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Austin thinks the world loves him so of course he ran everything.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:15 PM   #6097
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I am actually a pretty big fan of him and his game but I can see why a lot of people aren't. I am one of the few who also likes Liz's game. I think there is merit to finding people who are better than you and aligning with them and having them make all the decisions and have them be bigger targets than you. If she did it on purpose.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:16 PM   #6098
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I hope so but in his twisted reality he helped Vanessa more than she helped him and he played the game better so he may be actually bitter.
She had no social game though, and did benefit a lot from the relationships that he formed with other people and by him protecting her (and also because of him being unable to make a move against her when he probably should have). I don't think she would have gotten this far without him.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:16 PM   #6099
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I have a feeling she might keep Johnny.
Steve really wants jmac to stay because he said he knows he would beat him/would take him to final 2. He's not sure against liz. In fact said he will take vanessa to final 2 over liz. He was emotional at the time though, once he thinks about it unemotionally he may take liz over vanessa.

Vanessa was just giving steve bs talk telling him austin said he'd vote for jmac over steve which is a lie. Austin argued against vanessa trying to convince him jmac deserves it over steve. Maybe she wanted austin to say that so she could go to steve with it so steve less wanting to take jmac. Since she's saying that to steve maybe she is thinking of keeping jmac. If she knew steve would take jmac over her, but take her over liz to final 2 she'd evict jmac i think. I don't know what her best move is but i think keeping liz is better for her since steve is anti taking vanessa if jmac in game.
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Old 09-16-2015, 05:41 PM   #6100
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She had no social game though, and did benefit a lot from the relationships that he formed with other people and by him protecting her (and also because of him being unable to make a move against her when he probably should have). I don't think she would have gotten this far without him.

He benefiteed more from her relationships than she benefitted from his relationships. Through vanessa he got shelli, clay, steve. She only got Liz from austin. And his other relationships in the house almost got her evicted a million times as the other side of the house wanted her out and austin was on board for a long time. I don't think austin would have gotten this far without her since the whole house wanted to backdoor him and she saved him by not putting him up. Austin was plotting against vanessa and planting seeds to people that she was to blame for everything and needs to go for many weeks. I don't see that as helping her game. She helped herself. In fact when she was on the block with shelli he didn't even try to put in a good word for her. Was just writing her off until james came to him in the backyard lifting weights saying he wants to keep vanessa. When james told him at first austin didn't want to until he saw james was set on keeping vanessa.
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