The bottom line is Vanessa doesn't deserve to win the game if she's too scared to get rid of Austin or Liz this week. That was the smart play for her and she's too chicken to do it. She would only do it when there are absolutely no other options.

Liz is the only one left who can't win the game.

Ya it's just the worst when a strategic player uses thier intellect to game out scenarios. Smart people are just the worst. Go GW Bush.

I don't believe that at all. She's certainly got the resume if she can argue it properly.

And that's why she's the ideal f2 mate for everyone. The jury knows she's done squat in this game other than ride coattails. Even Boogie had more of his own initiative.

We are talking about someone who thought Sigmund Freud had a lion act in Vegas. Chances of that are slim to none

Vanessa the last player left in the game I'd call scared to do something.

I've read that Vanessa keeps denying Steve when he asks to talk to her upstairs. She needs t remember that she was the one that threw a fit a 3 year old would be jealous of when this exact thing happened to her.

It's not the smart play if it makes her lose three jury votes. The smart play was to let John win veto and winning this HoH is the most likely thing to cost her the game.

Vanessa just told Steve she's keeping him.

and because she's an "honest player" that means something?

Lol Liz 'Stevens gonna start winning things left and right'

This is what everyone's been saying forever. How about asking Vanessa if it's a tie who will you vote for.. Liz is dumb

I'm thinking it might actually be better if she puts up liz rather than Austin. Because if Austin goes home this week most likely jmac or steve win hoh next week and would prolly target vanessa over liz. As vanessa is a bigger threat to win comps and win in final 2 if she gets there than Liz. But if Austin is there next week they may target him as he's a much bigger threat than liz to win comps and in a final 2. And Austin may target steve over vanessa as he knows for sure steve and jmac would take each other to final 2.

I genuinely fell rott ten for Vanessa, she's in such a rough spot for someone that's played this game by herself for 90 days

I think she usually means what she says when talking to people in her original alliance(only lied straight away with other side of the house). It's just things always go wrong and she's either forced to change her mind or just decides to change her mind. So i think she's being honest with him he's safe but doesn't mean it will stay that way. So i agree Steve's not 100 percent safe until she actually puts Austin or Liz on the block.

I'm wondering if her better move would be to evict steve? She could make the deal with Austin and Liz that if they win hoh you take her to final 3 in return for their safety this week. And if jmac wins hoh he'll be forced to target austin and liz so she'd be safe til final 3. Where keeping steve i think she'd be the most likely person to leave next week. Does she really think if she takes out Austin jmac and steve would take her to final 3 over Liz?

Sarcasm font needs to be added to 2p2 ASAP!

So I gather Vanessa won HOH, put up Steve and Jmac and Jmac won POV. Has the veto replacement nominee ceremony happened yet? I take it Vanessa will have the deciding tiebreaker vote of Austin or LiZ go up for Jmac?

Vanessa needs to get rid of Austin or Liz IMO. Gives her the best shot.

Austin replacement nom. Seems JMac is just gonna vote Steve out.

Is wed an eviction episode? Weird to do veto ceremony on a Sunday

I don't get jmac evicting steve? Wtf is he doing? I haven't seen much feeds last couple days but i don't get it? He wants steve out because he says he gets targeted because of his duo with Steve. Dude the game is almost over and steve would be targeted before you because he's better at comps and will have better chance to win in final 2. Plus it would be you and steve against liz in hoh comp next week. So your duo most likely wins hoh and target vanessa. Or liz wins and targets vanessa or steve if she's smart. Everyone would seriously consider/most likely take jmac to final 2 except austin and liz together and you decide to keep them together and evict steve? They are the only 2 that most likely wouldn't(slight chance liz might f austin and take jmac as she'd have a chance to beat jmac and no chance against austin.) All these scenarios have plus and minuses but is this a good decision on his part? It feels idiotic on the surface. He most likely gets to final 3 this way but he woulda most likely made final 3 anyway. But taking out Austin would get him to final 3 where there would be a good chance he would be taken to final 2 whether he wins anything or not. Instead of most likely being sent home final 3 against liz and austin unless he wins the comps. Maybe i'm missing something? Who the heck takes out their closest ally 5 handed when the decision is up to you?

if jmac evicts steve, plays a part in vanessa leaving in F4, then he wins F3 and evicts austin, that's probably his best chance of winning the game. the jury isn't likely to crown him the winner if he's carried to F2 by anyone.

Tuesday and Wednesday are both evictions

He's not gonna win anyway but at least he wins an extra 50k by doing nothing. Where he has to run real good just to get the 50k your way. I agree his best chance is against liz but he could still take her with steve(his 2nd best chance to win) to final 3. Both steve and liz would take jmac to final 2 most likely. Steve might take liz but would be a close decision. And if jmac wins the final 3 comps(especially if wins final 4 hoh) like in your scenario than he could possibly win. But he gets 50k most of the time just sitting there in my scenario and in yours is a big underdog to get the 50k.

J-Mac is an idiot