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Old 09-11-2015, 01:38 AM   #5876
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Is final 4 POV the family tree style of events/order of things?
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:41 AM   #5877
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Sounds like feeds will be down from 9:45am-11:30pm tomorrow.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:56 AM   #5878
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I don't really see this jury being a bitter jury with the exception being maybe the Austwins will be bitter if Vanessa screws them and they don't have enough time in jury to get over it. Shelli, Becky, Jacky, Meg, James will have a decent amount of time to relax and get over things in the Jury house, and personality wise I don't see them being bitter. They may have some twisted stupid view on who they thought played the best game but that is another story.

Steve for sure will vote for whoever he thinks played best. John I think will do the same. John/Becky both mentioned they would vote for the best player. Vanessa I'm not sure about but I think she is a gamer and would probably recognize whoever played the best and show them respect with her vote.

The only bitter jury factor is the twins being young and stupid. I doubt Austin would normally be the bitter type but he is now just Liz's lapdog so who knows.
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Old 09-11-2015, 03:07 AM   #5879
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I think I'd put up
Austin or Liz + John. If POV not used I send John home. So next week Austin/Liz might pick Vanessa over Steve or if Steve wins he should keep Vanessa. If POV is used to remove John I'd vote out Austin or Liz.
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Old 09-11-2015, 04:28 AM   #5880
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Seems like it is going to be Steve & J-Mac going up.
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Old 09-11-2015, 06:23 AM   #5881
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Missed last nights episode is it worth watching?
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Old 09-11-2015, 09:38 AM   #5882
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Not really. Maybe just the jury segment.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:09 AM   #5883
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I fast forwarded through most of it. Don't care about the twins speeches, Julia talking to Julie, or the beginning of the HOH comp. so ya you could pretty much skip it. Jury segment is prob the only worthwhile thing
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:36 AM   #5884
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I thought this would be a super bitter jury, doesn't look like it at all though. None of them seemed all that upset. They all recognize Vanessa's game play being on another level. She wins in a walk against anybody. Not gonna be close. Also think she is a near lock to get there because Jmac/Steve think it'll be a bitter jury too.
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:47 AM   #5885
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I thought this would be a super bitter jury, doesn't look like it at all though. None of them seemed all that upset. They all recognize Vanessa's game play being on another level. She wins in a walk against anybody. Not gonna be close. Also think she is a near lock to get there because Jmac/Steve think it'll be a bitter jury too.
thats a big conclusion to reach after just a 2 minute clip. especially when it consisted of shelli (the person most loyal to vanessa in jury) saying she was rooting for steve or john

meg already said, i forgot if it was to james right before she left or in a post-game interview (or both), that she was bitter toward vanessa and didn't like the way she handled it. and I'm guessing james will vote with meg

jackie also hates austin + vanessa ever since jeff left and told her to make sure they didn't win. so i don't think jackie votes for either unless theyre against each other

becky i think is somehow the most likely person to vote for vanessa in jury right now



if vanessa turned against austin/liz this week, i think that would've ****ed her. by putting up steve and john she is definitely more safe with the jury votes because she should be getting the austwins votes which will be critical

steve would definitely vote for vanessa. I'm not sure who john would vote for if it was between steve/vanessa

basically i think vanessa vs steve is pretty close and a good chance it'll be a 5-4 vote (assuming she's loyal to austin/liz this week)

vanessa vs austin/liz will be closer because they get two automatic votes, so at that point they'd only need james/jackie/megs vote which is hard to predict

either way its far from a lock. the votes will probably be fairly close with vanessa vs anyone
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Old 09-11-2015, 10:49 AM   #5886
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and steve has said multiple times he definitely does not want to take vanessa to the final two. him and austin both caught on right away that vanessa keeps saying she's hated just so people take her, but that its not entirely true
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:16 AM   #5887
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

When it was just Shelli talking to the camera during the jury segment it was an easy read that she is voting for Vanessa if she is sitting final 2.

I don't see the goblins or Austwins giving steve the money over vanessa.

Jmac ain't getting Austwins votes over vanessa. Maybe he pulls the goblins votes, but i doubt it.

Austin probably only gets the twins votes.

Liz probably only gets Austin and Julia's votes.

If she sits final 2, either she wins or we get the worst BB winner ever in JMAC.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:28 AM   #5888
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its an easy read to say the person shelli would vote for is different than the people she is rooting for?

lets not forget she was tight with both john and steve while she was in the house too. this isn't just a new thing with her rooting for them. john was super tight with clay also
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:30 AM   #5889
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like id love to believe jurors would be objective and vote for the best gameplayer, but thats rarely how it actually goes. a lot of these jurors took the game very personally, and i don't expect that to stop just because theyre in jury now
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:32 AM   #5890
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Shelli wasn't really that close to John til final week. Almost all the talk came from John and Clay.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:34 AM   #5891
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Shelli wasn't really that close to John til final week. Almost all the talk came from John and Clay.
john was really loyal to shelli/clay though up until the end. he was always their pawn for them, and he reported stuff back to them. and w/e i don't need to prove this because shelli said to the camera that she's rooting for steve and john
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:35 AM   #5892
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i suppose john could have a better chance than steve bc i forgot james/jackie/meg would not want to vote for steve. plus john has a good chance of getting becky's vote while steve has no chance

john could potentially get james/jackie/meg/becky/shelli's votes to win over vanessa, although he'd be the underdog. but it'd be in the realm of possibility
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:37 AM   #5893
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and ya i still think vanessa is good as of now if she doesn't go against austin/liz. what i said originally was that i don't see where she's getting the votes if she puts up austin/liz this week. she needs their 3 jury votes and can't jeopardize that. especially when the twins take everything super personally


of course, the twins have said they want a girl to win this season. but if vanessa went against them this week, i feel like they'd take it as a complete betrayal
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:37 AM   #5894
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john was really loyal to shelli/clay though up until the end. he was always their pawn for them, and he reported stuff back to them. and w/e i don't need to prove this because shelli said to the camera that she's rooting for steve and john
This is all correct but what I'm saying is John bought into the alliance between Clay/Shelli/Jeff/Jackie. While Clay was in the house he pretty much did all the talking with John but once he left Shelli and John got closer.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:40 AM   #5895
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austin vs vanessa would also be interesting, especially since he is the only one who could have a legitimate argument for why he played the best game

but more subjectively, he'd get the twins votes plus james and megs votes and thats 4 already. so he'd just need one more. I'm not sure where he gets that one, but id be pretty confident he gets ta least 4
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:42 AM   #5896
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also john is an idiot for his goodbye message to julia - or he completely misreads the twins. they hate virtually every joke he makes and i guarantee julia will not take that well (that he wants to get both of them out). its not like he was getting her vote anyways, but i still wouldn't piss someone off going into jury for no reason
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:43 AM   #5897
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Meg and James left the house thinking Austin was running the game I still think its possible they vote for Vanessa after talking to everyone.
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Old 09-11-2015, 11:57 AM   #5898
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they were also close to Austin and actually liked hanging out with him, while they hated Vanessa. I'd be shocked if they voted Vanessa over austin
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:25 PM   #5899
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Vanessa may well be invited back for a future all star season. I'll be delighted when she's booted in the first 3 weeks though. Ain't no one gonna deal with her **** again...they've all seen how bat**** crazy she is.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:28 PM   #5900
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and ya i still think vanessa is good as of now if she doesn't go against austin/liz. what i said originally was that i don't see where she's getting the votes if she puts up austin/liz this week. she needs their 3 jury votes and can't jeopardize that.
Yeah she pretty much has to put up Steve and John at this point.
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