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Old 09-10-2015, 10:54 PM   #5851
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Why is F5 HOH a bad one to win?
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:56 PM   #5852
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Can't play in the F4 HOH which is the only one you can be eligible to play b2b with the F3 one. It's not bad, but she had no reason to win it tonight and take herself out of next weeks.
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:57 PM   #5853
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Why is F5 HOH a bad one to win?
You can't play for the F4 HoH. At final 4 HoH is just immunity. Only one person casts a vote and it is the veto winner unless the HoH also wins veto in which case they get to choose who gets to vote.
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Old 09-10-2015, 10:59 PM   #5854
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

lol Vanessa starting the inquisitions already
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:02 PM   #5855
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She already separately questioned Austin, Liz & now onto Steve
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:07 PM   #5856
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It's a amazing how the people itt want it both ways. Vanessa is the worst social player of all time (worse than hitler) and hated by everyone with the raging intensity of a thousand burning suns yet she should be worried about being voted out at final 4. Those two things do not go together in BB.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:14 PM   #5857
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It's a amazing how the people itt want it both ways. Vanessa is the worst social player of all time (worse than hitler) and hated by everyone with the raging intensity of a thousand burning suns yet she should be worried about being voted out at final 4. Those two things do not go together in BB.
She has to betray one of two pairs this week and the remaining person of that duo will be gunning for her next week. If she takes out Austin this week I can also see Steve and JMac being very happy taking her out next week as well because they'll probably prefer to go up against Liz in the final HoH comps.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:15 PM   #5858
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Clovis,

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Old 09-10-2015, 11:19 PM   #5859
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She has to betray one of two pairs this week and the remaining person of that duo will be gunning for her next week. If she takes out Austin this week I can also see Steve and JMac being very happy taking her out next week as well because they'll probably prefer to go up against Liz in the final HoH comps.
Sorry but if she is as hated as the people itt say she would be even the dumbest players choice for final two.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:19 PM   #5860
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Clovis,

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I'm going to guess you are a HUGE Rupert fan.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:27 PM   #5861
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i always thought shed be good at this comp from her fingers shuffling chips. but that said, i think it was a major mistake of her to win it
She mentioned on the feeds a few weeks ago that she would be good at this game because she had a good strategy for it. Where she showed her strategy of how to place the fingers etc... I think other person said prolly good at it too because of knowing how to ruffle chips.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:28 PM   #5862
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Really bad one to win with JMac right there to throw it to.

She's too reliant on deals at this stage of game. Any deal anyone offers her will be worthless at this point, so there isn't any real value in winning beyond immunity, which she was very likely to have anyway barring a veto save
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:51 PM   #5863
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My guess is this is where Austin's social game is going to pay off. Vanessa doesn't really have anyone she's close to, but he's good at talking her off the ledge and building trust when she starts to freak out.
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Old 09-10-2015, 11:56 PM   #5864
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Will be interesting on what Vanessa decides. I think Austin will be her target, secondary Liz. Thinking about it now i think Liz should be her target. Because if in final 4 if Austin is there jmac and steve may go for Austin. As Austin is a big threat to win in final 2 and good at comps. If Liz is there they may evict vanessa as vanessa more likely to win the game and comps than Liz.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:00 AM   #5865
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My guess is this is where Austin's social game is going to pay off. Vanessa doesn't really have anyone she's close to, but he's good at talking her off the ledge and building trust when she starts to freak out.
Only if she decides Liz leaving is better for her game. She's not stupid, she knows austin chooses Liz over her. Where on the other side she has a chance for jmac to choose her over steve. As jmac may realize he has a better chance against vanessa in final 2 than Steve. No way jmac beats Steve in final 2 as Steve's done much more than Jmac but has little anger from the jury. Where a bitter jury could give jmac the win over vanessa. At least a shot for jmac.

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Old 09-11-2015, 12:00 AM   #5866
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Sorry but if she is as hated as the people itt say she would be even the dumbest players choice for final two.
Not really because she keeps showing herself to be a strong competitor and shady as ****. So taking her to final 3 is risky because no one can be sure who she would take to the end. Steve and Jmac will have a better chance of beating Liz in the last HoH and Liz will have two automatic jury votes so Steve and John will have further incentive to take each other.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:07 AM   #5867
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\As jmac may realize he has a better chance against vanessa in final 2 than Steve. Noway jmac beats Steve in final 2 as Steve's done much more than Jmac but has little anger from the jury. Where a bitter jury could give jmac the win over vanessa. At least a shot for jmac.
I think John wins against Steve 5-4. I think Steve will have a hard time getting votes from Jackie, Meg and James and I think Becky and Shelli will vote for John over Steve.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:17 AM   #5868
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I think John wins against Steve 5-4. I think Steve will have a hard time getting votes from Jackie, Meg and James and I think Becky and Shelli will vote for John over Steve.
Steve gets Austwins votes + vanessa. So 4 to start. Only needing one from the rest of the house seems likely. Shelli is 50/50. Meg and james i think would vote for steve, especially james. Becky is the only almost sure vote for jmac. Jackie prolly because steve took her out. But jackie wasn't really pissed at him and really blamed vanessa. Also she or any of them may decide purely based on who deserves it more out of the 2, if so, steve would win in unanimous vote. Jury only really bitter at vanessa where with steve may just vote for who deserves it.

Vanessa in a final 2 has a chance to be a Danielle season 2 situation. Where she was clearly deserving the win in unanimous vote but lost to a bitter jury. She talked more **** about some of the people though(and they saw it as jury wasn't sequestered otherwise she woulda prolly won) where vanessa less deserving of such anger. This jury is just mad because they kept plotting to get out vanessa and she made them get all get egg on their face as she took them all out instead.

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Old 09-11-2015, 12:40 AM   #5869
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I'm really not seeing where Vanessa plans to get jury votes from if she puts up Austin and Liz here
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:49 AM   #5870
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Haven't put a ton of thought into it but if she gets rid of John I think she has a decent chance to stay next week.
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Old 09-11-2015, 12:52 AM   #5871
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she's the only person who could've won this hoh where we wouldn't know what she'll do. i really don't get it at all. she has to break her word to half the house now. and she can't play in the most important F4 HOH while theres gonna be one pair still together

just a bad move imo. i don't see the benefit for her winning this at all
It's not as bad as it seems. I mean she would at least be a replace nom this week. And once on the block it's possible she could go home. So being safe is good. Also she gets to decide whose better for her game this week by deciding which side gets targeted. Sure she'd want to be in final 4 hoh but she only has 33 percent shot of winning it. And much less a chance if it's endurance or athletic comp. And even if she didn't win it still has a shot of not being targeted or evicted. As Liz or Austin would target steve/jmac and steve and jmac may targert Austin or Liz remainder. But if she went home this week it wouldn't matter. I'm not saying it was a great move but i don't think awful either.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:03 AM   #5872
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I'm really not seeing where Vanessa plans to get jury votes from if she puts up Austin and Liz here
Lol, i hearya. But you hope they would understand at this point vanessa has a right to try and win the game. And they all know keeping austin and liz together really hurts her chances of getting to a final let alone winning. I mean Steve f'd Austwins over before she did, and jmac tried to f them over but didn't get the chance. So now vanessa has to so she has a chance to get to the end. Why does she have to be the one to lose the votes? That being said the whole house is blind bitter and blame vanessa always, while forgiving everyone else, so it may make her lose at least the twins vote. If she targets Austin she may save twins vote if she makes it clear to liz Austin is the target. Austin may vote for vanessa even if she targets him as he respects the game move/intelligent. And knows vanessa deserves the win more than anyone in BB history if she gets to a final 2.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:28 AM   #5873
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vanessa should've thrown it. jmac is forced to evict liztin here. she's not going to gain back that 33% chance at F4 HOH. this is a pretty huge mistake. #gametheoryexpert
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:30 AM   #5874
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Should of thrown it but still has good shot at pov.
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Old 09-11-2015, 01:33 AM   #5875
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Is it 4 HOH's, 4 POV's for Vanessa? Said she threw some too. Been instrumental in almost every eviction of the season. I mean Vanessa's crushing this season. She deserves a BB allstar invitation no matter what. Talk about and all around domination game by one person. A person the whole house was trying to get evicted from the start lol. I'm starting to think she could win in a final 2 against anyone now. As if she's sitting in the chair how can they not realize that they would look really dumb not to vote for her with all she has done to deserve the win. They may not like voting for her on a personal level but realize she deserves it. But this may hurt her though as people may start being even more scared to take her to a final 2 now. I know steve, austin, and liz prolly won't want to. Jmac only one really makes sense for to take her to final 2, as he can't beat anyone else. Maybe jmac could beat Liz, as liz only has austin and julia for sure for votes. Prolly vanessa, but if jmac stays loyal to vanessa to end and wins more comps chance he could get vanessa's vote. The rest of the house don't have a great relationship with either. But Jmac has Becky, prolly steve, prolly shelli. James, meg, jackie could go either way. But may get influenced from steve, shelli, becky to vote for jamc because he's the nicer guy and more loyal to his main people. And make the argument neither did much in the game so why not give it to jmac if he finishes strong. Jmac drawing dead against Austin and Steve in a final 2 imo.

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