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Old 09-04-2015, 02:17 AM   #5676
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Maybe Vanessa convinces Steve to put twins up and Austin would throw HOH if Vanessa promised Austin she would keep Liz. Don't think Austin would throw but unsure.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:18 AM   #5677
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Maybe Vanessa convinces Steve to put twins up and Austin would throw HOH if Vanessa promised Austin she would keep Liz. Don't think Austin would throw but unsure.
Austin might be okay going up vs Liz since he won't have to vote her out.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:23 AM   #5678
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Yeah but if Julia wins veto Vanessa leaves unless Julia flips.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:26 AM   #5679
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Johnny has never screwed him over, but Vanessa has, so it should be an easy choice.
This is true, but i don't think he'll base his decision purely on that. Steve will do what he feels is best for his end game. He's only concerned with winning, not whose wronged or righted him at this point imo. I think he puts up vanessa but because he'd rather take jmac to final 2 than her as it's a much easier win. He could beat vanessa but if people in jury decide to give it to who really deserves it they might give it to her. Also steve knows vanessa's is smart and would look to take jmac over him, as she has much better chance against jmac in final 2.

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Old 09-04-2015, 02:36 AM   #5680
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Austin thinks the loud cheers for James were because of production lol he's gonna be shocked when he gets out.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:37 AM   #5681
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Vanessa better at comps

Its a must win and Steve can't play. If you keep Vanessa you can at least hope they keep you for final 4.
Jmac is pretty good at comps too though, and I think you've got to go with who you can trust and will have your back at this point in the competition. And for Steve, the only person he can really count on is Johnny.
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Old 09-04-2015, 02:47 AM   #5682
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Its not really about trust at that point tho. Whoever stays wins HOH or both go on the block. At that point its just a matter who do you want give shot at final 4 HOH. Which is also a must win or POV. There was already talk that Austin didn't want Steve/Vanessa in final 5. It doesn't really matter a ton until it we find out who wins POV. Hopefully the noms stay the same.
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Old 09-04-2015, 03:22 AM   #5683
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omg such a feeble attempt from james and johnny
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:15 AM   #5684
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Agreed! Freaks and geeks+1 stick together albeit a very bumpy road. All the mean "cool kids" making fun of all "the outsiders" are all taken out by the outsiders, the good guys win. Twins can be mean sometimes though. Vanessa, austin, liz, steve came a long way from how they were outcasts at the start of the game watching jace get evicted.

This is what the other side of the house deserves for knowing for weeks ahead of time that liz had a twin and she was on the other team. Did they target her? Did they use it to their advantage through pressure? Nothing. They just talked about it to show they were right but did nothing about it. Let her just come right in to be on the opposite team to form a 3 headed monster that dominated the game as a result.
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Old 09-04-2015, 05:54 AM   #5685
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You can tell based on John's convo with Steve that the wall yeller has 100% influenced John's game.
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Old 09-04-2015, 06:12 AM   #5686
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Waaaat
Freaks and geeks(later changed to scamper squad because freaks and geeks is a tv show) was the name of the alliance consisting of Austin, liz, Vanessa, Steve, and eventually julia when she came in. +1 is jmac. Vanessa, Austin, Liz, Steve were called the outsiders for a while in the game. Don't remember if they made up the name or if the other side of the house started the name. I think they said it. The other side of the house used to make fun of and be rude to Steve, Vanessa, and jace(long hair don't care sit in the chair). I think that covers most of it.

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Old 09-04-2015, 06:59 AM   #5687
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Austin talk with Steve just showing he is horrible strategically without Vanessa's guidance.
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Old 09-04-2015, 07:55 AM   #5688
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Judas in character and committing suicide like historical Judas


Made a really compelling case to evict him before going to bed
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:08 AM   #5689
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Austin talk with Steve just showing he is horrible strategically without Vanessa's guidance.
there's not really anything he can say at this point. It's so clearly 3 on 3 that its just about comps. It's obvious that you'd keep Julia off since she's worst at them
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:12 AM   #5690
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Do we think Steve definitely puts up Vanessa over JMac if the one off block wins POV?
That's actually a tough question. Mostly because steve himself would go back and forth a thousand times. Vanessa would prob intimidate him into keeping her
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:23 AM   #5691
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Old 09-04-2015, 08:48 AM   #5692
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Julia winning the POV this week is probably the only thing standing between Vanessa and winning the game. MAYBE JMac winning F3 HOH and choosing to sit next to Steve but I doubt he would.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:09 AM   #5693
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Julia winning the POV this week is probably the only thing standing between Vanessa and winning the game. MAYBE JMac winning F3 HOH and choosing to sit next to Steve but I doubt he would.
Even then I don't think they put V up. I think she is a huge favorite to win this thing at this point. Everything has gone perfect for her down the stretch.

I don't get those complaining about this season.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:13 AM   #5694
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I can't think of any likely scenarios where James goes tonight. I guess only if its JMAC or Steve as hoh, which is just a painfully bad move.
Solid prediction, lol.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:49 AM   #5695
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Even then I don't think they put V up. I think she is a huge favorite to win this thing at this point. Everything has gone perfect for her down the stretch.

I don't get those complaining about this season.
No, but if Julia wins POV and takes down Liz, Johnny Mac probably goes up as the replacement and Vanessa is stuck in the minority at F5. She would have to win her way through to the end, instead of the situation she's in now where anybody except Julia winning POV results in her being on top of a 3-2 at F5 with two people who definitely want to take her to the end (maybe 3, if Julia is there).
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:18 AM   #5696
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No, but if Julia wins POV and takes down Liz, Johnny Mac probably goes up as the replacement and Vanessa is stuck in the minority at F5. She would have to win her way through to the end, instead of the situation she's in now where anybody except Julia winning POV results in her being on top of a 3-2 at F5 with two people who definitely want to take her to the end (maybe 3, if Julia is there).
That's true.... Which is why I said she is a huge favorite, as opposed to a lock.
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:29 AM   #5697
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Julia winning the POV this week is probably the only thing standing between Vanessa and winning the game. MAYBE JMac winning F3 HOH and choosing to sit next to Steve but I doubt he would.
while i agree she's the clear favorite at this point, she still needs a couple things to go her way in order to not need the f3 hoh. she can't be with a steve + john combo, or 2/3 of the austwins. so its kind of a delicate balancing act she'll have to do over the next 3 evictions to make sure she gets the right combination

its also why it'd definitely be smart for steve + john to take out austin this week to force vanessa to be cut off from the twins, rather than giving her wiggle room to get in with austin or julia (if liz goes home)
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:29 AM   #5698
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also vanessa is unlikely to be good at the final 3 HOH because both parts 1 and 2 are usually more physical than mental
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:30 AM   #5699
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oh, and she also has to dodge a bitter jury which may not be so easy. meg said before she left that she doesn't hold any grudges against anyone besides vanessa. id assume james would feel the same way and would vote with meg

steve would prob get shelli's vote, and the austwins would get each others vote. john would get becky's vote. so vanessa doesn't really have automatic votes for her - in addition to having to deal with potential bitterness
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Old 09-04-2015, 11:34 AM   #5700
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so id say vanessa is by far the biggest favorite to reach final 3-4, but its not quite as clear how she'll close that into a victory. she still needs a fair amount of things to go her way
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