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Old 09-01-2015, 05:46 AM   #5301
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she is being unnecessarily vague
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:46 AM   #5302
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He did, but it was all Andy's idea to get them all together to target Amanda + McCrae.

Judd had a chance to change the game on his own. He was already evicted and has to know he was the bottom of that 4 person alliance with Spencer/Ginamarie/Andy. Elissa wanted to work with him as she had nobody. He didn't want to work with her so after Elissa left, Judd was the next to go and that's what happened.
elissa left during the double eviction when mccrae was hoh - i doubt judd could've done anything about that
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:49 AM   #5303
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the jist of meg's efforts so far is that she's told steve she can't see how he can win without relying on comps since theres a 4 person group (austwins + vanessa - she didn't name names but they beat around the bush long enough to make it obvious)

she then said for him to have a chance, the dynamics have to change

he then asked for her advice on what he can do to help himself


and here she shut down and said idk man



the correct answer was to tell him to vote to save her

i don't get the purpose of being vague. you should just be specific and tell him what you mean
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:55 AM   #5304
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"i hope you don't use anything i said against me" ---meg

"you didn't even tell me anything" ---steve

great pitch


and wtf do you care what steve tells to other people when steve and john are the only votes that matter. ugh. its so frustrating how easy her pitch could be and she is just so bad at it
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Old 09-01-2015, 05:56 AM   #5305
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elissa left during the double eviction when mccrae was hoh - i doubt judd could've done anything about that
He won the veto during the DE Elissa was begging him to save her. He KNEW Andy lied and made up the story about Elissa voting out Amanda. They all ganged up on her to McCrae.
So let me get this straight if you got evicted and then you came back and you saw a group of people who you knew were all liars to you and now doing the same thing to Elissa who's all alone in the house, wouldn't you think about working with her? He could've saved her and blindsided Andy. He could've told McCrae what really happened and send Andy home. Keeping Elissa in the game is great for Judd as they all hate her and she'll be a huge target. Also at that time Elissa and Judd were the best at comps and could've run away with the game. Sitting next to Elissa at F2 wouldn't be so bad either as Elissa can't win (people hated her). There were no upside whatsoever for sending Elissa home when he had a chance to save her and forged his own game. With Elissa gone, Judd was the next to go and that's what happened. The object of the game is to keep a bigger target than yourself in the game and get to the F2 with someone you can beat.

Maybe that's why I subconsciously hate Judd as much as I do as I hold him responsible for not saving Elissa. and why I think his game is so bad.

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Old 09-01-2015, 06:10 AM   #5306
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did not remember that

but I doubt it was that strategic. I don't think Judd liked Elissa much either and he was boys with McCrae and Andy, so he wasn't gonna go against them. Honestly peer pressure overrides strategy the majority of the time in BB, as the current week shows
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:22 AM   #5307
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did not remember that

but I doubt it was that strategic. I don't think Judd liked Elissa much either and he was boys with McCrae and Andy, so he wasn't gonna go against them. Honestly peer pressure overrides strategy the majority of the time in BB, as the current week shows
Judd didn't like Elissa, no one in the house did. All the more reason to keep her. Pure pressure is huge but it's already down to final 5. It's not like there were 9 people left in the game and you're scared to make a move. He already got blindsided, Judd was backdoored by his 'boys' the first time. He should have no reason for loyalty to them.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:24 AM   #5308
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It sort of reminds me of Peter not using the veto on Topaz. People just need to stop playing so passively when it's this far into the season. Make the big move and play to win.

I just thought of a great argument that Meg could use to stay. Steve and John will need to target Austin and the twins soon but the first person to do that risks losing 3 jury votes. If they take Julia out now it's on both of them and if they reach the final 2 with each other or Vanessa those jury votes will still be up for grabs.

Also she should just make a deal with one of them. It's too hard for her to be the one that convinces both. Convince John and have him convince Steve. Offer a deal that if she stays she will put up whomever John wants, will use the veto on him if the chance presents itself and vote however he wants.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:37 AM   #5309
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It sort of reminds me of Peter not using the veto on Topaz. People just need to stop playing so passively when it's this far into the season. Make the big move and play to win.
Forgot about that, Peter not using veto to save Topaz was one of the all time worst moves ever. Why play so passively when it's so late in the game LOL.
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:38 AM   #5310
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its just like frankie not using the veto on christine during the DE last season. pretty much the same exact spot as judd was, where frankie was on the bottom of the alliance. except frankie was already tight with christine
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Old 09-01-2015, 06:40 AM   #5311
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theres nothing complicated about the offer meg and james have to make to steve and john. just offer a final 4 deal. it makes a ton of sense for both sides
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:01 AM   #5312
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theres nothing complicated about the offer meg and james have to make to steve and john. just offer a final 4 deal. it makes a ton of sense for both sides
It would be interesting to speculate what percentile of BB players could get out of Meg's position. It sure as hell doesn't require Dan's funeral.
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:04 AM   #5313
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their new plan is to get austin's vote instead of steve's

can't make this up
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:04 AM   #5314
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and they'd frame steve for it
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:06 AM   #5315
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I could totally see Judas voting for Julia to pin on John or Steve.
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:13 AM   #5316
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not if he actually wants to be with liz outside the house, which it seems like it does


and even besides that, idk how you're gonna pair austin + john together on this plan. even if you somehow got austin in on it, john is gonna run to vanessa and steve and ruin everything. its so much easier to convince steve + john since their incentives are the same, rather than austin + john who are on complete opposite sides, and having to convince them individually and also bring them together. its just not gonna happen

and austin might secretly be rooting for julia to go home, but theres no chance in hell he would vote her out on national tv like that. otherwise his whole thing with liz is fake, and i seriously seriously doubt that
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:14 AM   #5317
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i was thinking about this from james's perspective after meg goes home, and i feel like a lot of people would call him stupid for targeting vanessa, but i don't actually think it'd be that bad. say meg goes home this week, and say he's smart enough to put up vanessa with julia and successfully gets her out. that leaves

austin and the twins
steve
john
james

in this situation, john and steve are forced to go at the austwins virtually every time, or at least until they get 2/3 of them out

and vice versa, austin and the twins will target john and steve before james. john because they hate him, and steve because he's the biggest mental comp threat

chances are both sides would win an hoh, and that would get down to a f4 of like austin/julia/john/james or something

and i think james would be able to work with austin at the end and would have a decent chance of getting to the final three. once at the final 3, he wins the endurance portion. and if he gets to final two he has a great chance


so i don't think it'd be terrible for him to target vanessa instead of the austwins next week (well really, during the double eviction) if he won hoh
I don't disagree with this plan for james. But i disagree you making the person he should try to target only being vanessa. Maybe that's just your preference. Really he can do the same plan with evicting john or steve as well and working with vanessa and the other of the 2 he doesn't target. It will probably come down to who goes to him to work together first. And or who he decides to trust the most. And vanessa already has planted seeds with him that she will work with him. Where steve and jmac doing their usual thing of nothing. So she may have a better chance at getting to work with him. Plus Austin will be in james ear and if austin is really working with vanessa he may direct him somewhere other than vanessa as well.
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:16 AM   #5318
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I don't disagree with this plan for james. But i disagree you making the person he should try to target only being vanessa. Maybe that's just your preference. Really he can do the same plan with evicting john or steve as well and working with vanessa and the other of the 2 he doesn't target. It will probably come down to who goes to him to work together first. And or who he decides to trust the most. And vanessa already has planted seeds with him that she will work with him. Where steve and jmac doing their usual thing of nothing. So she may have a better chance at getting to work with him. Plus Austin will be in james ear and if austin is really working with vanessa he may direct him somewhere other than vanessa as well.
its not my personal preference, its his personal preference

vanessa put him up both times she was hoh, and wanted him out this time. and she would want him out again. there is no benefit of having vanessa in the house if you're james
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:17 AM   #5319
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and its also not at all the same if he takes out john, because vanessa is 100x closer to the twins than john is and thats crucial for the endgame
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Old 09-01-2015, 07:18 AM   #5320
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and you keep steve + john as a pair which ensures they get targeted before james. so no, its not my personal preference at all. it is clearly better for james to get vanessa out than john
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and you keep steve + john as a pair which ensures they get targeted before james. so no, its not my personal preference at all. it is clearly better for james to get vanessa out than john
It's not as clear as you seem to think. Maybe, but not clear. It's not for sure vanessa will want to target james. More likely at the moment as she doesn't know where his head's at. But if he shows a willingness to work with her she really could be willing to target anyone as it's getting late. You can make the same argument steve would want james out. That he's close with the austwins and jmac. If james wins hoh vanessa will go to him and ask him to join her new team of steve and jmac. For james to target austwins. Or if he's not willing to do that to target steve or jmac him taking the newly opened position once he evicts one of them. Vanessa shows a willingness to work with anyone which gives her a chance to work with anyone. And james knows she's alot smarter than jmac which could help james devise a good plan to get to the end. And he thinks he could beat vanessa in final 2 because she's disliked by the jury. He'd win against jmac as well though. Steve would be close but i think steve beats him. 5 votes being austwins, vanessa, shelli. Maybe even becky. So maybe he wouldn't mind steve leaving.

If james takes out Jmac it causes little blood. And would be brownie points with austwins. It also breaks up the duo of jmac and steve where you wouldn't necessarily be the 3rd wheel with steve and vanessa. As steve and vanessa are smarter players and may choose him over each other if they think they have a better chance of winning final 2 against him than each other. Where jmac would be more likely to stay loyal to steve. With steve their would be similar arguments as well. Breaking up the duo, breaking up the perceived glue between jmac and vanessa. James less likely to win against him. My point is alot of arguments can be made for any of the three. When it gets late in the game like this against an unbreakable trio it really doesn't matter which you choose of the 3 as they are all forced to work together. It more comes down to who makes you an offer first and if you think you can trust them.

Also he knows steve is close with austwins so not for sure austwins would target steve before him. Also austwins would feel if they(austwins) got broken up they could trust steve more to work with them than james as they've been working and trusting steve the whole game. So i can see steve being just as dangerous as vanessa for james. Maybe moreso because he hasn't shown a willingness to want to work with him where vanessa has.

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Old 09-01-2015, 10:59 AM   #5322
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I'm confused why they think Austin would consider?
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Old 09-01-2015, 02:01 PM   #5323
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DarkCheck - name one person Vanessa would target right now in front of james if she could be HOH

You cant
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Old 09-01-2015, 04:42 PM   #5324
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Andy Herren gets it obviously

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Old 09-01-2015, 04:44 PM   #5325
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James better hope he doesn't try to enact that moronic 4AM Trojan Horse plan or it's going to blow up in his face.
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