I guess she's planning on winning HOH or veto every week when it gets down to F4.

Austin seems to think that when he or Liz are HOH that anyone on the block should be up there licking his boots all week. Which I guess Steve sort of is doing, so it's looking like a smart move for him.

Well its only final 4 HOH and final HOH but still doubt this is her plan. Vanessa and Steve will be fine in a few days.

Assuming Vanessa does make final 3. Does she realize that final HOH is AFAIK ALWAYS endurance??? i don't see her getting past final 5 @ this point but given her gameplay so far I really wanna know who she thinks will be in the F3 w/ her that will take her to the finals? I think her dream final 3 is her Austin and Meg, but I don't see her getting there w/o even further damaging her relationships w/ either of them b/c to get to that point she will have to evict the twins and James. All of which will poison the other 2 against her in a F3 scenario. I understand that the 1st rule of BB is like the NCAA Tourney "survive and advance" but with her game play I don't see a viable endgame for her unless she runs godlike in final 3 HOH comps

Part 1 is endurance

I don't understand what Vanessa doing. She acts like she wants to keep John then doesn't then does.

She has also mentioned helping them out IRL after the game (she mentioned staking Austin in gambling and buying one of the twins a car, or something).

So part of me wonders if she really would be happy just going to a final 4 with them. Even though that seems ridiculous. But it's not like the $ matters too much for her.

I think she has been way too loyal to them, and the time to turn against them is coming very, very soon. She's gonna run out of time if she doesn't turn in the next week or two. Maybe she's just waiting to know who returns from jury though

Although then again, the last 3 weeks have been her on the block, Liz HOH, and Austin HOH. So I'll give her the benefit of the doubt

One reason Vanessa might wanna keep John is to help with returnee to not target her but if John/or returnee win HOH and target Austin/twins its possible they tell John that Vanessa told them everything he said. So I'm not really sure why she wants to keep him. Sure Steve lied to her but John has said several times he really wanted her out.

I guess Vanessa reasoning is John a bad player but he's also telling you he wants make bold move.

Only the first part is endurance. She'll just have to win two 1v1 mental comps in a row and she is HOH.

How do we know that Vanessa isn't a physical beast who has been throwing physical comps all year?

I doubt it, but it would be epic if true.

I'm joking obv...

But why do you need Vanessa in order to target Austwins?

Vanessa just told Austin to take Liz on a trip to Mexico and play online poker 24/7

Austin is one of those guys that has a system for every game in the casino.

12:14 PM Vanessa on deciding on who to vote out between Steve/Johnny Mac: "I feel like I'm choosing between two steaming piles of *****." -jellyfisher

Such a nice girl!

Shouldn't Austin/Twins want Steve to stay? All he did was go against Vanessa just like they have and wanted John to stay b/c 5 person group they created. John has flat out told them he's coming after them. I'm not sure how Vanessa doesn't realize Steve has nobody to turn to. I'm not sure where Steve and Becky are close came from but its not true.

Yes, the Austwins are being completely hypocritical by going against Steve when they were just as much of the plan to backdoor/frontdoor Vanessa as he was, actually more. And they should also realize they can get him to do what they want much more so than Jmac, who Vanessa has told them is plotting against them.

This guy sums it up well:

Bigbrothergossip ‏@bigbrothrgossip 45m45 minutes ago
Two weeks of these morons being HOH, along with Van pulling their strings, has really put a damper on what was a great season. #bb17

What would you guys say is the % breakdown on who's more likely to go home at this point?

I think John goes home like 60%. It just makes the most sense.

They were talking about getting John and Steve to play rock, paper scissors to decide their fate.

Whole house convinced Day is a poker dealer. Vanessa: Let me tell you if there's one thing Day was not it's a poker dealer.

Day claimed she also plays poker, but I had a hard time believing that she deals and plays poker and didn't know who Vanessa was. That seems very under a rock to me.

Lol Austin spends all episode contemplating a Vanessa backdoor and then calls her selfish for trying to do something that doesn't align with his strategy.

Geez Vanessa is so confrontational and such a bully