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Old 08-24-2015, 12:18 PM   #4626
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but Liz has to be the no doubt 100% target for anyone not named Julia next week, right?
Which is why Vanessa is in better shape than everyone is giving her credit for.
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Old 08-24-2015, 12:21 PM   #4627
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In a hypothetical show down b/t Vanessa and James, James CRUSHES Vanessa b/c he has managed 2 Keep his nice guy image while still being perceived as a strong comp player and loyal 2 his alliance 2 a fault.
Of course James beats Vanessa b/c people vote for who they like. Vanessa has zero plans to take James to the end. Yes James has more friends but he's also aligned with bad players which led to better players taking his alliance out.

YeahYou jokingly made a post when Meg thought they were in total control running the game. Meg had every eviction planned for upcoming weeks.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:19 PM   #4628
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So correct me if I'm wrong, but Liz has to be the no doubt 100% target for anyone not named Julia next week, right?
As I see it, Vanessa and whoever survives between Steve/Jmac are in the most danger. James and Meg have a 5-person with the Austwins which there's no point in jeopardizing yet. The jury members seem hell-bent on going after Vanessa, though other than Becky I could also see them going after Steve. And of course if Vanessa or Julia win HOH she's not going anywhere. Liz is probably one of the safest people in the house right now.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:21 PM   #4629
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Shelli target with be Austin/Liz. I don't by she will target Vanessa.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:41 PM   #4630
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Shelli target with be Austin/Liz. I don't by she will target Vanessa.
Shelli is kind of a wild card, but I think she would go after Vanessa (based on her jury house edit, though I take those things with a grain of salt), or James/Meg before she would go after the Austwins.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:47 PM   #4631
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Queen Vanessa is not happy about Austin not wanting her to use the veto. Could be some interesting feeds today.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:59 PM   #4632
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Vanessa having a full blown meltdown right now.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:00 PM   #4633
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Looks like she's switched tactics now and is trying to blow up Steve's game. Buh bye Steve.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:02 PM   #4634
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"It's easy to get in my head in the morning when my meds haven't kicked in and ****" lol
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:04 PM   #4635
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Vanessa is a ****ing nutjob
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:16 PM   #4636
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Just when you were expecting a calm morning with no drama, Vanessa delivers
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:17 PM   #4637
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And her boyfriend Austin
Austin can't win hoh, hence my leaving him out of the equation. I also left Liz out because ldo
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:18 PM   #4638
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If only they would cast more great players like Meg hey.


I can't even count the number of diary room and post eviction statements about how good Vanessa plays. "She's good" is probably the most common thing they say about her yet itt the whole house thinks she is the worst player of all time.

Either the edit is a total fabrication and the players are being asked to say things that are not true or the people on this thread are clueless.

Would she be better if her social game improved? Of course, it's her major weakness. Even with her social game is she the best player this season by a mile and among the best in the shows history, of course.
This is a very good post. Everyone says she's good. Becky even said if she came back she'd want to align with vanessa because she's an excellent player. Steve who knows this game better than anyone says she's a very good payer.

Nobody is denying her social game can be bad at times which is her major weakness. She does have a big ego that rubs people the wrong way(so did dr will, evil dick, and a ton of other people that play this game before..), act too emotional, interrogate people too intensely etc... But her thinking ahead and logical arguments are her strengths and why she's a good player. People itt exaggerate that she's so hated in the house. She is not hated. She's not Russel Hantz, he was hated. People just feel she's always too serious and wanting to talk game 24/7 so she's not fun to be around when it's not time to talk game. I can see why that makes her less popular than some in the house but don't understand why it makes her less popular to the viewers? I mean don't we want someone taking the game seriously always thinking game/talking game? As opposed to people who are boring on feeds just being on summer vacation and only sleeping, eating, and playing practical jokes all day? I don't root for people like jmac because he didn't do **** all season and just treated the season like a summer off from school. Then made some half-assed attempt to save his game very late in the season. He's seems like a good guy but he deserves to leave for lack of effort/bad gameplay. Where i root for people that take the game seriously and give their all/want it. In sports i root for guys giving their all and not just playing for the paycheck. Same here for me.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:19 PM   #4639
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

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As I see it, Vanessa and whoever survives between Steve/Jmac are in the most danger. James and Meg have a 5-person with the Austwins which there's no point in jeopardizing yet. The jury members seem hell-bent on going after Vanessa, though other than Becky I could also see them going after Steve. And of course if Vanessa or Julia win HOH she's not going anywhere. Liz is probably one of the safest people in the house right now.
No point in jeopardizing? Taking those three to a final 5 is an auto loss.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:25 PM   #4640
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No point in jeopardizing? Taking those three to a final 5 is an auto loss.
They are also the only numbers that James/Meg can count on at this point.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:35 PM   #4641
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They are also the only numbers that James/Meg can count on at this point.
I don't buy this at all. James is too smart to go final 5 with a trio that he is not a part of. They will line up with the others in the house to break up the trio.

No way they survive next week intact without winning HOH.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:41 PM   #4642
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

I see what happened now. Jmac told Vanessa that the Austwins, him and Steve had a 5-person alliance to get Vanessa out. When the Austwins were confronted about it, they claimed that Steve was the mastermind of it (lol) and then Vanessa blew up on him. Great stuff from about 10:20 on.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:49 PM   #4643
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I see what happened now. Jmac told Vanessa that the Austwins, him and Steve had a 5-person alliance to get Vanessa out. When the Austwins were confronted about it, they claimed that Steve was the mastermind of it (lol) and then Vanessa blew up on him. Great stuff from about 10:20 on.
This is vanessa's weakness. It doesn't matter as she knew the house was trying to get her out. She was in good shape this week so last week doesn't matter anymore. Let it go!!!! Now she's doing the stuff that makes the house want her out. And this is where her emotions cloud her judgement to see the bigger picture at the moment.

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Old 08-24-2015, 02:51 PM   #4644
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This is vanessa's weakness. It doesn't matter as she knew the house was trying to get her out. She was in good shape thiis week so last week doesn't matter anymore. Let it go!!!! Now she's doing the stuff that makes the house want her out.
It's all part of her strategy to make herself a big as a target as humanly possible until that target disappears. It's much too advanced for us to understand. She's a top 5 player in BB history.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:00 PM   #4645
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I don't buy this at all. James is too smart to go final 5 with a trio that he is not a part of. They will line up with the others in the house to break up the trio.

No way they survive next week intact without winning HOH.
James and Meg are such small numbers that I don't think they are thinking much beyond surviving from week to week, and their best chance of that is by sticking with the Austwins for now. But I do agree there's some chance there could be a big shakeup in alliances depending on who comes back into the house and who wins HOH this week.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:13 PM   #4646
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James and Meg are such small numbers that I don't think they are thinking much beyond surviving from week to week, and their best chance of that is by sticking with the Austwins for now. But I do agree there's some chance there could be a big shakeup in alliances depending on who comes back into the house and who wins HOH this week.
Agree. Alliances are very fluid as the end game approaches, but it won't take much for anyone to realize that a lock down trio has to go before you get to 5.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:13 PM   #4647
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James and Meg are such small numbers that I don't think they are thinking much beyond surviving from week to week, and their best chance of that is by sticking with the Austwins for now. But I do agree there's some chance there could be a big shakeup in alliances depending on who comes back into the house and who wins HOH this week.
I saw James talking to Megs on Saturday night when all the lights were off, told her that they can't go with the Austwins to final 5. Told her it would be really bad for them because they would have to win back to back HOHs every week for James/Meg to stay together and they know that's not happening. So they are thinking about the endgame but right now they're so small in numbers they can't do much especially since the Austwins keep winning HOHs.

The problem is Steve and Jmac. They actually have the numbers to take a shot at the Austwins if they would talk game and align with James/Meg. Their unwillingness to do it doesn't leave the goblins much choice but to trust Austin. Now that the Austwins have shown their hands on where they stand with Jmac/Steve, hopefully whoever stays will now HAVE to make a move. I fully expect they start talking once the Austwins and Vanessa don't win HoHs
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:19 PM   #4648
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I still get so annoyed when people act like deals are something you can count on. RHAP: Why did Austin win this HOH when he has all these deals in place? Because when player X wins the HOH and nominates Vanessa and player Y, then Vanessa wins the veto, what do you think those deals are going to be worth? That's IF someone doesn't have the guts to just outright take a shot at the obvious unbreakable three person alliance. Also, even if the week went as planned, and someone else won and got Vanessa out, the following week the Austwins are in a must win situation.

James insta-flipped on a supposed deal he made. What's a deal with him worth?

These people who play big brother and go on about how they played a clean game are either lying to themselves, or they played so badly they were never in a good position in the game, therefore never had to mislead or betray anyone. Deals....pshhht.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:22 PM   #4649
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Looks like Vanessa is dead-set on voting Steve out now. Jmac is either the luckiest player in BB history, or some kind of Zen Master strategist.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:29 PM   #4650
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Who is a better player Meg or Vanessa?
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