Austin is so easily manipulated that whatever she wants she will get

She's mad at Steve now but I expect John to go.

Poor Megs, wish I could give her a nice hug right now

Shelli + Becky would work with John
Only Shelli would work with Steve (Becky not against him but will def work with Meg, James)

Steve nervous AF right now, he knows he's in deep trouble. Vanessa told twins she isn't using the veto leaning towards getting Steve out. This is a major win for the goblins if this plays out. Instead of James/Meg being alone in the house, the Austwins are now forced to show their hands. Steve/Jmac will now know they're not with them and will force whoever stays to actually play the game and not coast.

Vanessa has all the power and I bet she gets Steve to admit certain stuff.

Not sure why vanessa feels safer with john than steve. I don't think she realizes jmac has only one target in the game right now and it's her. Steve should make her aware of this. Where Steve could literally target anyone and sees vanessa as a shield. Steve is a more dangerous player that she shouldn't trust anymore but it doesn't mean he's going after her necessarily.

See what i meant about cry babies. The difference is Meg cries just because things didn't go her way even though she personally is never in danger. Where Vanessa cries because she knew her closest allies were alienating her and planning on evicting her. I don't think either should be crying but vanessa's crying was for a more legitimate reason.

Vanessa saying she will let Austin decide what she does with the veto. This may piss Austin off because essentially she's saying Austin won the veto. So whoever gets f'd the blood will be on Austin. You're in a better spot now but on probation with your alliance vanessa, so don't f it up by playing these little games and pissing of your alliance.

pretty huge swing for steve in the last 48 hours or so. he might be the favorite to go now because vanessa is pissed at him, and i think james/meg would prefer to keep john over him (james has been talking about steve being a threat for a while)

and from the austwins perspective, they know john is going after vanessa so it makes plenty of sense for them to keep him in over steve. the twins were already talking about how john is easier to beat in comps too

are you really analyzing the validity of people crying? meg was crying because she's been awful at comps and is embarrassed.

I think your all reading to much into what they think now. Yes Vanessa is upset with Steve. Steve still has plenty of info like John number 1 target is Vanessa. Austin/Twins been talking ton crap behind her back.

and saying she'll do what austin wants doesn't mean anything, its just a delay tactic because she was talking to john. obv she's not gonna tell john she's not using it because he was the main target

i just think they all view steve as a much bigger threat than john. it'll be hard to say where they all stand until after the veto ceremony though

DarkCheck is trolling, has to be. No real human being could be that much in love with Vanessa. His creepy obsession is blowing my mind right now.

Yeah, is that ok? So it's ok that Meg's a cry baby over bs but vanessa gets hate because she's crying because her trusted allies and friends were trying to evict her? My point is vanessa gets heat and hate for everything in the house while people ignore it when other houseguests do the same things for much less reason. It's very hypocritical.

I honestly think Vanessa would consider using veto to force Austin to put James up if she thought Steve and John work with her. John unwilling to ever consider that/pretend so it won't happen. Vanessa knows Steve asked to go up with Vanessa and not John.

meg is like an innocent puppy, and you think people should hate her more?

She wouldn't have the votes and she would have Meg/James mad for her making Austin put Meg/James up and Austwins mad for forcing him to put up Meg/James.

right, you would never piss off 5 people to win over 2 people

she would never directly go against the austwins; instead she'd have to convince them to agree to it

but i don't see that happening because austin loves james. its possible though

Good point. Guessing Austin wants nothing to happen.

I just see things for what they really are. You are doing exactly what the house was doing to vanessa. Where you just don't like her so you make up lies about her and blame her for everything that happens in the house to try and make everyone else hate her.

If she deserved the hate i would say so. Where you seem to have an agenda to make everyone hate her. What did she do to you in real life?

And why attack me? Did i come after you? I'm not looking for negativity getting into it with anyone. Let's just agree to disagree on vanessa.

austin wanted john out the most originally

Steve would be better off having information on James rather than the twins and Austin. Having info on JMac is useful, but if the trio wants Steve gone, she has to persuade them. Shes good at persuasion, but there isn't much logic to keeping Steve for them. Hes a much bigger threat. She can take him off, but shes never doing that without trio's blessing. She isn't going to war with them unless she wins HOH. Steve would be better off having damning info on James That would influence Austwins. That JMac wants to go after Vanessa is just another reason for trio to keep him over Steve.

While Vanessa will prefer to keep Steve later on, he is in realistic trouble

The difference is that Meg was crying in the shower because she was upset with herself. When Vanessa throws her (usually public) tantrums it's because SOMEONE LIED TO HER or THEY DIDN'T COME SEE HER or THEY BETRAYED HER. It's always their fault, because she is such a perfect person who can do no wrong! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Lol zingbot basically called Vanessa the mastermind. Totally acceptable.

yea wtf