She really is, she's totally insufferable. I really wish Austin wasn't so infatuated with Liz and would've liked to see him play this game on his own. Because there's no way he would've put up with Vanessa's bull**** for this long if it wasn't for Liz keeping them together.

Vanessa should use this week to move away from Austwins and build relationships with the other side because if she's on the block its gonna be against one of the Austwins and she'll go home

So dumb of vanessa to tell austwins that she made a deal with jmac for no backdoor or frontdoor. It makes them want to get jmac out because austwins figure is she has a deal with him he'll come after austwins if he wins hoh. And vanessa wants becky targeted but how can you get that when you tell them the secondary target is coming for them. On top of that it makes them distrust you more because you're making side deals that can affect them behind their backs. Liz and Austin called her sneaky. Vanessa thinks she's really smart but she really isn't that smart. If she spoke to steve before making her decisions she wouldn't f up so often. He thinks things through thoroughly before he acts which make him make sound decisions. And when he talks to people knows what he can share with people and what he shouldn't.

I love Liz and Austin calling vanessa sneaky that she tries to protect herself from the other side. This while austin and liz constantly set her up as the target for the other side that they are allowed to take out without pissing them off. Essentially using her as a shield.

They told her to make a deal with John?

Austin/Twins done with Vanessa but doubt they put her up.

Well before becky leaves at least she'll get what she wants, vanessa out. I can't believe how though. Not this week but prolly before becky. Total bs that becky convo makes them go nuts that they can't trust vanessa. Vanessa told austin to his face she was gonna backdoor him. What's the difference whether it was jackie gonna do it originally instead of her. She didn't mention it because he didn't ask and was irrelevant at that point as she told him the house wanted to backdoor you. That makes austwins freak out like she's been playing against them this whole time. You haven't been on her block one time. That should tell you she's not against you. And james was part of the plan to backdoor Austin by throwing the comp and austin's like "yeah but he had to." It was basically a house decision to backdoor him that vanessa saved him from yet the austwins want to blame only her for it.

I didn't hear the original convo but heard vanessa say to steve "i wanted for me and you to make a deal with jmac and austwins want us to now so even better."

Probably should have elaborated on this idea.

Vanessa at this point has almost no chance of making it to the end and winning the game. Soon after the feeds came back the goblins pinned all the bad stuff that happened straight on to Vanessa. She is seen as a huge threat, has no credibility, is crazy paranoid and is not very likeable in the game. On top of that the only person in her alliance that would even consider taking her to the end is Steve.

Going up as a pawn would once again throw doubt in Meg, James and Becky's mind that maybe Vanessa is solo dolo after all. It would also create a situation where BJJM would push for her eviction and expect it to happen because why would Liz put her up if she wasn't the target. However if Vanessa actually chilled out and didn't piss off Austin, Twins and Steve she'd be fine. On top of that any backlash that would occur after the vote would be directed towards Austin and the twins, whereas whatever the result this week Vanessa will somehow be blamed. So if any of the three remaining outsiders win the next HoH Vanessa wouldn't be the target and she could ride the middle with Steve.

It's a YOLO play but I honestly believe Vanessa has no chance of winning this season without doing something drastic because what she has been doing is way more awful than my suggestion.

Austin is going on a rant to the live feeders in the dark about Vanessa humiliating him that week he was gonna get backdoored

Ughhhhh why Liz. Becky is in a really bad spot.

Plan is to keep Becky to go after Vanessa. Would be fun when Vanessa finds out

This makes no sense for Austwins. Why not further weaken that alliance rather than pick off one of your own?

Jmac was never one of their own. He was about to target Austin and Van during DE. Jmac and Austin never talks game, he's the only one in the house Austin has doubts with. Keeping Becky in the house is good for Austwins. They need someone to go after Vanessa eventually.

Don't need to, it's still a stupid idea.

Even if Austin/Twins are mad at Vanessa they can't get rid of her. If they do the entire house will be after them unless they win HOH. I feel Vanessa will jump ship from Austin/twins but not next week.

Its possible Shelli didn't give up all the info she knew in case she came back but I expect her to tell everyone in jury in case she doesn't come back. They need get all the strong players out on other side.

So let me get this straight Austwins. Vanessa pretty much led your team all season to protect you guys and be super loyal. Then you guys sold vanessa out last week just because you didn't care(disloyal) and she accidentally stayed. So now team vanessa doing great again where you don't need to betray each other. So you decide to sell her out again and try to turn it that she's the one being slimy and been betraying you guys the whole game. Hypocrite much? I hope it's an austwin vs a non austwin in final and vanessa's the deciding vote and votes for other person to win because she believes loyalty is most important.

What info does shelli have that's important?

And vanessa will be out next week most likely. As the other side all want her outand austwins do to but not at their hand) and now Austwins putting shade on her to steve so unless vanessa wins hoh(or an austwin) it's bye bye vanessa. The other side of the house is too dumb to get together to take out the austwins. And meg and james certainly won't when they know they go final 5 for sure if they stick with austwins. Might try to take them out at 6 or 7 but not now.

Are you friends with Vanessa Rousso in real life?

She has no one to jump ship to except Steve. No one trusts her and her credibility is completely shot. Austwins are crucifying her to James/Meg. Becky hates her with passion and nothing will ever change that. J-Mac doesn't trust her whatsoever and wants her out.

I guess she doesn't really have info besides its an official alliance. I think Becky thinks Vanessa just goes from HOH to HOH.

If Austin/Twins get rid of John there's 8 people left.
Lets pretend Becky wins HOH and gets rid of Vanessa.
That means there will be 7 people left and Becky can't play HOH so Austin and the twins would have a 50% chance at HOH.

People need to target them now.

She stupidly overplayed when she tried making a deal for no nom/backdoor with J-Mac before eviction. J-Mac 100% would have put her up as his #1 target so it accomplished literally nothing for her and she completely lost Austwins because of it.

She just has no off switch and can't help overplaying and FPSing everything.

No. I'm just a straight shooter calling it like i see it. The austwins are sell outs and want to make it look like vanessa was the sell out. I have bashed vanessa other times when she's wrong. Just this time she's not.

Has vanessa slow-rolled you in real life?

People can't target them now because Liz is HOH.

What if Liz puts up Austin? IMO, THAT would be the greatest BB move ever ! I know that kills her chance at the 500k, or would it?

Pretty much agree with all of this except she lost austwins because of it. She lost austwins because the other side of the house decided to make her a target and the austwins didn't have the backbone or loyalty to try and protect her.

She does have fancy play syndrome and no off switch, but the austwins saying she's the shady betrayer in their relationship is a big hypocrisy. Vanessa has been betraying only one person on her team this game and that's steve.

Vanessa is clearly the smartest in the house. She needs to do some math now and realize she needs people on her side that are solid, instead of this wishy washy final 8 talk.

Austin has USED her strategy up to this point in the game.

I am hoping James can fly by for the next couple of evictions and then win it all. He has been playing a good game and has stuck with his team, unlike anyone else in the house.