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Old 08-07-2015, 11:15 AM   #3401
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Why would America want VR to stay ?

She's a freaken fake frog from Florida with a fake accent, and a fake everything else.

America, outside of the 2p2 fanboys hate Vanessa.

I say "burn the witch" now while you have the chance
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:28 AM   #3402
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

DR leak into the house or just on the feed?
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:42 AM   #3403
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Feeds only. America could want Vanessa for drama. Production can also do whatever they want and say America wants Vanessa to stay.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:45 AM   #3404
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Half the house wants Vanessa to go.

I want her to stay even more now.


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Old 08-07-2015, 01:58 PM   #3405
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

Have these people never heard of ant baits? Spraying Raid on them isn't going to get you anywhere.

I'm kind of torn about Vanessa. On one hand, I almost feel sorry for them having to deal with her meltdowns and manipulations. On the other hand, I fear the feeds will be boring without her.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:16 PM   #3406
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Vanessa might have more outs than I thought. Meg, James, Jackie might consider not using veto if Vanessa could sell she's not after them.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:25 PM   #3407
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I'm not sure that making your allies do slop is the best way to prepare for comps. They already have the HOH room to discuss strategy.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:46 PM   #3408
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Since everyone seems to know about the plan to backdoor Vanessa, they might as well just frontdoor her instead. Put her up with Liz and then the Austwins won't try and pull her down if they win veto.
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Old 08-07-2015, 04:58 PM   #3409
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How can there be an America's player this season w/o voting for one? And since when does production drop hints in the DR about game play to the houseguests?
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:32 PM   #3410
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Since everyone seems to know about the plan to backdoor Vanessa, they might as well just frontdoor her instead. Put her up with Liz and then the Austwins won't try and pull her down if they win veto.
I've been waffling back and forth on this but at the end of the day I think it's best to backdoor Vanessa. It's dangerous for Vanessa to be playing in the POV as she'll have 1 in 6 chance of taking herself off. She can easily win.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:55 PM   #3411
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Since everyone seems to know about the plan to backdoor Vanessa, they might as well just frontdoor her instead. Put her up with Liz and then the Austwins won't try and pull her down if they win veto.
Within 30 minutes of Becky going into HOH, Vanessa already KNEW she is backdoor plan this week. Becky spilled her guts to everyone but Steve last night, even Shelli.

The plan is to keep "The Plan" James set in motion from last week putting Shelli/Steve on block and "backdooring" Jmac, but the REAL target is Vanessa to backdoor. That is what Becky told Vanessa last night, but Vanessa is either a genius or someone leaked her some info that she is the true backdoor target.

If the house votes out Steve instead and keeps Vanessa for the drama/viewers, I believe this season is also rigged. They will make Vanessa look like she actually outplays all of the others this way, IMO.

I can only wait and see what happens.

I was dumbfounded that Clay received a 100% vote. James/Jackie/Meg can't stand Shelli and they voted for Clay? Not buying it for one second. At least CBS could make it look like it was a close vote.
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Old 08-07-2015, 07:13 PM   #3412
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LOL Jmac just told Steve the plan about backdooring Vanessa. Practically everyone knows now.
Vanessa's plan should be first to have Austwins go to Becky alone and tell her there's been rumors of backdooring vanessa, is this true? Whether she admits or not Austwins say we made a deal last week to take out clelli remainder. If you go against it now and backdoor our friend you will become the target for our side of the house next week in DE. If you honor it we give our words you are not on our radar. Then leave. Then have Vanessa come up next alone with Becky and tell her "i got alot of dirt on you that i found out from clelli last week about how you were snitching on James crew about going after clelli. And i know you named james as a target of yours earlier in the game(i'm pretty sure she did this). So if i go on the block i'm blowing your game up! If i don't go on the block i won't hold a grudge that you were gunning for me as i know it was just a game move. And if you want we can secretly work together because james crew would never suspect it after you planned on backdooring me.

That could work. Then Becky could start talking James crew in on sticking to the plan to make the house happy and go after Shelli. If they don't like it you wait to see what happens and hope the noms stay the same anyway. If someone comes off you go back to james crew and say i can't put up Vanessa because Austwins said i will be there number 1 target if i do. Put one of twins(they won't be upset as they know they will have the votes unless Becky betrays them being the tiebreaker. But why would she then she'd be their target again. And after vanessa james crew wants Shelli out anyway so the vote would prolly be unanimous.) and Shelli goes home.

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Old 08-07-2015, 08:46 PM   #3413
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becky already smoothed things with ADC last week about playing both sides. they aren't going to blame becky when she's the one targeting vanessa, whom jackie and james both have stated is their #1 target.

i don't think austin trusts vanessa or anyone other than the twins. he and the twins are positioned to perfectly play the middle right now. 6S will probably be down 2 members after this week, so it's no use to him to defend them. he already told vanessa that is shelli has to go, than just let get evicted. he realizes that vanessa is a sinking ship. he was also closer to clay than shelli, and he dislikes steve. vanessa's FPS the past 2 weeks is coming back to bite her.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:59 PM   #3414
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becky already smoothed things with ADC last week about playing both sides. they aren't going to blame becky when she's the one targeting vanessa, whom jackie and james both have stated is their #1 target.

i don't think austin trusts vanessa or anyone other than the twins. he and the twins are positioned to perfectly play the middle right now. 6S will probably be down 2 members after this week, so it's no use to him to defend them. he already told vanessa that is shelli has to go, than just let get evicted. he realizes that vanessa is a sinking ship. he was also closer to clay than shelli, and he dislikes steve. vanessa's FPS the past 2 weeks is coming back to bite her.
I didn't say ADC would blame Becky for targeting Vanessa. I said Austwins need to put pressure on becky to let her know if she targets Vanessa she will have made enemies of them and now be their number 1 target. And it would also put ADC in trouble as the deal for DE and weeks after for floaters would be terminated if jmac isn't put on block if steve or shelli get off. Shelli being number 1 target.

ADC does not know Becky was the informer of attacking Clelli last week. They think it was vanessa. This info would damage trust with ADC and she would know she would be more vulnerable/in trouble on their side as well as being number 1 target of the other side.

Austwins trust Vanessa like she's family. Actually the only 2 that don't trust each other in that alliance is Julia not trusting Austin because Austin told Jason he could take her out. And they are not in the middle. They are on the other side in an agreement to not fire at the other side if they do what they said they would do which is take out the remaining clelli. And then supposed to target floaters(Steve and jmac) next week. 6S has no choice but to lose an alliance member unless jmac goes up. So 6th sense has to choose who they'd rather give up and the obvious choice would be Shelli since that would make the other side think they're at peace as that was what was agreed upon in their deal for DE. And Austin trusts Steve and has his back if he can but because he's so close with twins and vanessa he would choose to part with him over them. But he'd rather part with Shelli than Steve as he knows shelli tried to throw him under the bus where Steve never did.

You're right about vanessa's FPS coming back to bite her. That and her emotional outbursts causing her to confront people which scares people as they worry she might blow up their game.

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Old 08-07-2015, 10:39 PM   #3415
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there's no chance becky will backdoor john to save vanessa. becky trusts john and has said she doesn't even fully trust austwins. so trying to scare becky is a horrible tactic for austwins. they would almost certainly accomplish nothing, other than placing themselves as the #1 target for the entire house. jmac would move closer to becky and ADC. steve and shelli would be in a horrible position aligned in a 5 person alliance with austwins and would distance themselves as soon as they weren't in power. anyone else would have license to target them without paying a price against the house.

austwins best move this week is to minimize involvement and slowly gravitate towards ADC to position themselves in the middle and see who the next HOH is. you need to realize in weeks like this the potential gains are minimal, but the potential losses are game ending. this is something vanessa didn't realize the past week.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:26 PM   #3416
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there's no chance becky will backdoor john to save vanessa. becky trusts john and has said she doesn't even fully trust austwins. so trying to scare becky is a horrible tactic for austwins. they would almost certainly accomplish nothing, other than placing themselves as the #1 target for the entire house. jmac would move closer to becky and ADC. steve and shelli would be in a horrible position aligned in a 5 person alliance with austwins and would distance themselves as soon as they weren't in power. anyone else would have license to target them without paying a price against the house.

austwins best move this week is to minimize involvement and slowly gravitate towards ADC to position themselves in the middle and see who the next HOH is. you need to realize in weeks like this the potential gains are minimal, but the potential losses are game ending. this is something vanessa didn't realize the past week.
She wouldn't think she was evicting John but putting him up to adhere to plan expecting Shelli to go home. But depending on whether 6S and steve flip the vote jmac could go home shocking her. If she didn't put up jmac even ADC will wonder why as she's hiding her alliance with John and this would look strange as that's what was said would be done. She may try to talk them into putting up an Austwin as a pawn to ensure Shelli went home. But the main point being one of the targets agreed upon last week went home. And to ensure none of the members of the DE alliance deal created went home(Vanessa). She doesn't have to put up jmac if noms stay the same btw.

It's not a horrible tactic, in fact quite good, as their basically gonna do it after veto unless one of 6S win veto which would just leave noms the same. They might not say we will make you number 1 target but they will say this would break the deal which implies she and ADC could be in danger in DE if they win. They don't want that. You don't think that would scare her? James, Meg, and Jackie are scared of this and considering just taking out Shelli to avoid an immediate war and they aren't even the hoh taking Vanessa out. She has no enemies that she knows of if she just sends Shelli home as that's what was agreed upon. Or she will possibly have half the house gunning for her if she breaks the deal and goes after Vanessa.

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Old 08-07-2015, 11:45 PM   #3417
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She wouldn't put Jmac up. They need four votes to evict the person they want. Jmac is part of the four that she can trust 100% to vote the way she wants. They don't trust Austwins, Shelli and Vanessa at all.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:55 PM   #3418
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She wouldn't put Jmac up. They need four votes to evict the person they want. Jmac is part of the four that she can trust 100% to vote the way she wants. They don't trust Austwins, Shelli and Vanessa at all.
That's what was agreed upon in the deal. That being said your right, she and ADC would want to make sure Shelli went home so they would have to put up Liz as a pawn to ensure Shelli went home. Of course reassuring Austin and Julia they will not backdoor Liz.

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Old 08-08-2015, 12:02 AM   #3419
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This happened today: I mentioned in chat during live feed that CBS would keep ratings/viewership up if Vanessa stays after this week. Seems like everyone in chat is gunning for Vanessa to go home after confronting Clay/fight etc.

I mentioned that CBS/BB had been sued before by an ex-employee for rigging a season so that a producer's friend had won on a previous season when the player was the villian the whole time on BB. I said if Steve goes home, I believe this season might be rigged because everyone now wants Vanessa out after the Clay/Shelli fiasco. If it looks like Vanessa can rally the house to vote out Steve and stay, that will be short of a miracle.

I logged off and when I came back to watch the live feed, CBS had cancelled my subscription to the all access live feed.

Be careful what you say in chat there, it appears they don't like people to call their show rigged or scripted.

I guess I will know if Steve stays or not.

I know that Survivor has also been a scripted show and has been sued numerous times over the show being "reality."
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:11 AM   #3420
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Yeah you have to be careful on there cause people can flag your posts and the mods review all the flagged comments. I said I hated that Andy won a few years ago and somehow that got me a 5 minute ban from chat. I now realize anything can get you banned so I just don't chat on there anymore.
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Old 08-08-2015, 12:24 AM   #3421
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James, Jackie & Meg can't believe the other side of the house keeps messing up their plans over and over. Meg is mad that they actually have to try and plan for what the other side might do to mess up their plans again.

These are the competitors Vanessa is up against. It doesn't exactly take the hand of god to outsmart these "competitors". Vanessa has many more outs to stay than just producers rigging the show.
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Old 08-08-2015, 01:35 AM   #3422
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Feeds are kinda blah tonight, except for Jackie doing stretches in her silver body suit.
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:17 AM   #3423
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Steve said he's gonna throw the veto lol
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Old 08-08-2015, 11:23 AM   #3424
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Steve and Shelli need to formalise an alliance with Becky and Jmac. Together those 4 would be able to go deep.
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Steve and Shelli need to formalise an alliance with Becky and Jmac. Together those 4 would be able to go deep.
And why would Becky do that? How is being with Jmac/Steve/Shelli any better than what she has going now with Jackie/James/Meg.

Jackie/James/Meg have proven themselves loyal and are good at comps. Shelli will throw anyone utb the moment she's in jeopardy, she has no loyalty to anyone. Steve and Forest Gump are sooo overated it's unbelievable. I have never seen anyone in my high school or even elementary school that was more socially awkward than Steve.

Sat 2:53 AM BBT Steve saying to himself. "Mom, I need you right now! For the first time in 52 days, I need you. I don't know what to do!"
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