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Old 08-07-2015, 12:15 AM   #3351
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

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Shelli could win POV and take Vanessa off. That would be bad for Becky.
Van probably feels she has better control over Austin at this time. Plus if she uses POV on Shelli it removes any doubt about them working together.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:15 AM   #3352
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I got it. Best route for Becky to take is putting up the twins with the intention of backdooring Vanessa or Shelli. If either Shelli or Vanessa win POV, put the other up. Whoever sits next to a twin is guaranteed to go as they will get 2 guaranteed votes so Becky's side can easily send the backdoor target out.

Damn I'm good.
She damages too many relationships this way.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:20 AM   #3353
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Van probably feels she has better control over Austin at this time. Plus if she uses POV on Shelli it removes any doubt about them working together.
Everyone in the house already knows Vanessa and Shelli are super close. Vanessa was fighting to save Shelli this week. It's irrelevant at this point.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:24 AM   #3354
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I'm only going to be tilted if Meg wins. The season is 97 days long. Staying quiet and waiting for good opportunities is better than destroying your social capital and the integrity of your word before the halfway mark. If Vanessa had kept her word and sent Austin out they would have been fine.

Despite that there is still enough room to manoeuvre that she should be able get out of this tricky spot.
I think Vanessa's best chance would be for her whole team Austwins and Steve to put pressure on becky saying "we made a promise to take out other clelli this week you better honor it and stay away from Vanessa or we're coming after you next chance we get." It could work as becky knows she's not a main target from that side right now, if she knew taking out vanessa would make her the number 1 target for half the house she might think twice. It won't happen because everyone wants to cover their own asses(but really it wouldn't hurt them to try that) but i'd love to see them do it. That would show some true loyalty!

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Old 08-07-2015, 12:25 AM   #3355
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She damages too many relationships this way.
The twins would have to go up eventually. It's silly to think that you put up one of the twins and not think they that the others wouldn't be mad at you. The lines are already drawn. Putting up someone like Steve and Austin could backfire as someone like Shelli could win POV and leave noms the same. Therefore your 2 main targets and largest threats in the house are safe for the week, that would be disaster.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:28 AM   #3356
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Vanessa needs to work with Shelli, Steve and the twins this week behind Austin's back and shift the target to Austin. Shouldn't be too hard to convince the twins that the house will target Liz before Austin because Liz is perceived to be the link between Austin and Julia.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:32 AM   #3357
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John so against Vanessa so yea she's in trouble.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:32 AM   #3358
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I'm pretty sure from the feeds this week that Becky's main target is Vanessa, possibly Shelli or Austin. She's going to backdoor Vanessa so it'll be interesting to see who she puts up.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:38 AM   #3359
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The twins would have to go up eventually. It's silly to think that you put up one of the twins and not think they that the others wouldn't be mad at you. The lines are already drawn. Putting up someone like Steve and Austin could backfire as someone like Shelli could win POV and leave noms the same. Therefore your 2 main targets and largest threats in the house are safe for the week, that would be disaster.
Steve is the best pawn atm because no one will be incensed at him going up. Put Vanessa on the block with him and make deals with Austin and Twins. Worst case scenario Shelli wins veto she'll have to break her word to Austwins. The odds of that are small enough to warrant taking the risk given the benefit of not being targeted by Austin and Twins going forward. Also keeping Shelli off the block is good for her because Becky and Jmac have a good relationship with her so that will also help her play the middle for longer.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:41 AM   #3360
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I got it. Best route for Becky to take is putting up the twins with the intention of backdooring Vanessa or Shelli. If either Shelli or Vanessa win POV, put the other up. Whoever sits next to a twin is guaranteed to go as they will get 2 guaranteed votes so Becky's side can easily send the backdoor target out.

Damn I'm good.
Thats just repeating my plan from a page or two ago lol
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:44 AM   #3361
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

And putting up austin/liz or julia with intentions of backdooring Vanessa wouldnt be that bad, since you could let them in on the plan before hand, and tell them that if Vanessa finds out before Veto, you'll keep the noms the same, or put up the other twin/ausint as a replacement
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:46 AM   #3362
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Steve is the best pawn atm because no one will be incensed at him going up. Put Vanessa on the block with him and make deals with Austin and Twins. Worst case scenario Shelli wins veto she'll have to break her word to Austwins. The odds of that are small enough to warrant taking the risk given the benefit of not being targeted by Austin and Twins going forward. Also keeping Shelli off the block is good for her because Becky and Jmac have a good relationship with her so that will also help her play the middle for longer.
It'll be better to backdoor Vanessa. Vanessa and Shelli are so good at comps, it's risky to nom Vanessa and give her a chance to play. It's not a small risk. You also run the risk of Shelli winning the POV and pulling Vanessa off (which she will do) and Becky will be totally screwed for next week. These aren't small risks.

Like I said earlier, the twins and Austin are so terrible at comps, I wouldn't worry too much about backlash. I'd be much more worried about Vanessa staying being mad at me than the Austwins. Also you can still make a deal with them and let them know that even though they are going up, they are not the targets. One of Shelli or Vanessa has to go this week or her HOH week is a waste. Putting up the twins is foolproof as it guarantees one of Van or Shelli going home. You may never get another chance like this for the rest of the game.

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Old 08-07-2015, 12:55 AM   #3363
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

So Vanessa offered to share a bed with Jmac. This woman is just too much
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:05 AM   #3364
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Like I said earlier, the twins and Austin are so terrible at comps, I wouldn't worry too much about backlash. I'd be much more worried about Vanessa staying being mad at me than the Austwins. Also you can still make a deal with them and let them know that even though they are going up, they are not the targets. One of Shelli or Vanessa has to go this week or her HOH week is a waste. Putting up the twins is foolproof as it guarantees one of Van or Shelli going home. You may never get another chance like this for the rest of the game.
How is that foolproof when there are three people (Vanessa, Steve and Shelli) that would likely keep the noms the same?
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:06 AM   #3365
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Re: Big Brother 17 -- Premieres Wednesday June 24th on CBS @ 8pm

You convince whoever wins veto that your replacement nom would probably be Steve.

Dunno how to convince Steve to use it
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:07 AM   #3366
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Whoops never thought of that. Ignore my last few posts.
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:13 AM   #3367
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do it like james. take a direct shot and put up both shelli and vanessa. if either wins pov, then use a twin as a pawn.
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:16 AM   #3368
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unless you're a very good or great player, you shouldn't rely on pawns and sophisticated moves.
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Old 08-07-2015, 01:46 AM   #3369
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Vanessa spraying disinfectant all over her hair thinking it was hairspray


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Old 08-07-2015, 01:53 AM   #3370
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Shelli is telling Austin, twins, and Vanessa about how much Clay and her brother look just like each other.
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:03 AM   #3371
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Vanessa spraying disinfectant all over her hair thinking it was hairspray


haha
Yeah, she's a mess right now. She's having her period, got into huge fight making more enemies, the other side won hoh, SHE LEAKED FREAKS AND GEEKS to shelli accidentally so she just said Steve made the name Beauty/freaks and geeks. That we're the same as 6th sense but with Steve now. She's not acting like she thinks she's in trouble though little nervous and kooky. But i think that's just the period and drama today. She probably thinks they will target Shelli.

Steve hasn't told Vanessa yet that she may be the target. He was wanting to tell her(only saying maybe they might go for us) but i think he realizes it's very dangerous for him to tell her because she's so emotional she might run right to John and becky and mess up Steve's game. Plus he's not sure if Vanessa's playing him because she always keeps things from him. John told Steve about the 1 week alliance going after 2nd half clelli then floaters. Vanessa didn't tell Steve so Steve might think she is working against him.

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Old 08-07-2015, 02:09 AM   #3372
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Cam 3 around 11 pm pst was Jackie lying in bed with an ice pack. Someone else's mic got turned up (female could have been Becky) and you could clearly hear grunting and saying oh my god.

Taking a huge dump or what?
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:16 AM   #3373
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Shelli is telling Austin, twins, and Vanessa about how much Clay and her brother look just like each other.
In case you haven't seen it yet. It's creepy AF.



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Old 08-07-2015, 02:38 AM   #3374
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Well they did just have a Game Of Thrones style POV so...
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Old 08-07-2015, 02:49 AM   #3375
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and let the gaming begin, the red keep has been unlocked by Becky of the snow lands, Stopper of Trains and mother of kittens
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