It's really not that complicated

LMAO Vanessa already sniffed out the trojan horse plan.

There's one flaw in Andy's plan. James and Meg don't want to work with Vanessa and Steve. They are a LOT closer to Austin + Liz. Steve is actually right. If he evicts Julia, James and Meg will team up with Austin and Liz. James and Meg haven't worked with Vanessa and Steve all season, why would they start now just because they decide to save Meg? Can't expect James/Meg to suddenly work with you after not talking game to them for 50 days straight.

What's the trojan horse plan?

Meg/James trying to get Austin's vote and then all of them blame it on Steve. Vanessa already warned Steve about this. They haven't brought it up to Austin yet though.

Pretty sure it would never work but it's crazy she sniffed it out.

But she can't be hoh right now because she can't compete for hoh next week. Everything changes once someone gets evicted this next week coming up. If it's jmac or steve she'll need james. If james talks with vanessa, steve, jmac about a deal they may give him the ok to target austwins in order to join their team. Vanessa would like to target austwins but she doesn't want to be the one pull the trigger and lose 3 jury votes. James may be willing to be the one to do it so he can have a 4 man team going against 2 austwins the week after he takes one austwin out. Like i said, not so clear.

About Andy message
From John/Steve point of view of course they should do that but still don't think it happens.

Haven't watched today so far but how did she figure out?

She literally just said to Steve: Have you wondered if Julia leaving would be better for Austin so maybe they will come up with this plan and blame you. Steve was like no way Austin would do it and Vanessa was like yeah I don't think so either but keep an eye out for it. It would be horrible if M/J tell Austin then he tells Steve and Steve tells Austin Vanessa told him this earlier and they somehow think she orchestrated it.

I believe production gives them info in their DR "visits." How else would CBS keep the viewers interested with these guys?

They want maximum drama each week and guiding the players is how to do just that, IMO.

I wished they had a camera on Liz's face when she sees the videos of Austin molesting her when she gets out. She's in for a surprise, that is for sure.

James is so funny

Tue 3:07 PM BBT James says Vanessa's gonna think Steve's the one that did the vote flip & will flip on him. James: "The complexity of this is...
you might have to tell it to him (Austin) twice!"

They are the 2 people who thought they were the only ones who figured out how many votes are needed to stay next week and that Vanessa will never realize its only 2 and the HOH.

Meg said to James we haven't seen a blindside yet this season. You pretty much got "blindsided" every week.

I would think if that was the case, someone would have let the cat out of the bag, after all these seasons of BB.

Not on Thursdays though

james already has a 4 man team by working with the austwins. he is a lot closer to them (specifically austin) than he is to anyone else after meg leaves

it is clear as day that james has incentive to take out vanessa. I'm not sure why you thought that was a controversial stance

Double Eviction. But either way they have been blindsided almost every week in one way or another.

It's really embarrassing watching Meg/James game talk. I mean they can't even do basic math let alone come out with a plan going forward.

Everyone but jmac has a 4 man team with the austwins. Even he was aligned with them last week. Not sure why you think james feels him being the 4th will be more honored then their deals with steve and vanessa who have closer ties with the twins and austin and worked with them the whole game? Where if james works with jmac, steve, and vanessa it has more a chance to be real as they need each other to fight the austwins. Also even if austwins chose him over vanessa and steve he would still be a solid 4th whell/the most expendable for them. Where with the other players that's not for sure. He could move up the food chain.

It's also clear as day james needs people to work with and taking out someone he can work with is questionable. He may choose to. Or he may choose to evict jmac, steve, or the austwins. I didn't say it was controversial, i said it's not necessarily what he will do or should do. But I guess it is controversial of you if you seem to think that's his only play.

So have they even asked Austin yet/shot them down?

Kevin Martin on twitch right now with pili and Ashley making appearances. All of BBcan.

Man, Pili is gorgeous

Are BB canada live feeds available to people in the u.s.?

Download the Hola extension for firefox, select Canada and you're good to go.

Thanks! Around the same price? When does their season start?