and ya this week would've sucked if vanessa or austwins won veto. its great to have some chaos going into the double eviction


and the double eviction is gonna catch them by surprise too. steve and vanessa were saying last night that BB likes to separate out its exciting weeks so they wouldn't do the returning juror + the DE in back to back weeks. so it will be a surprised

Vanessa's going to need an extra big box of tissues

My head is spinning. Vanessa needs Steve so bad in this game because she needs him to go after Austwins LOL. This is soooo bad for Vanessa. She's got James/Meg guns blazing for her next week and she'll lose an alliance member either way. I just can't see any scenario where Meg leaves.

If Meg leaves, this will be the dumbest cast ever.

Steve is a MUCH better player than judd. And that's why he will vote out meg. Vanessa has to put up liz(if julia or austin either julia or austin can decide to f the other but neither will f Liz) or she's an idiot. If she puts up steve or jmac they could go home if austwins side with james over vanessa which could easily happen and then make vanessa on the chopping block next week. Steve will vote out meg so the austwins and vanessa not gunning for him next week. As they would know it was his vote that sent an austwin home.

Even if Liz leaves it's not the end of the world for vanessa as she won't get the blame but steve would. Liz leaving is not as good as meg leaving for vanessa but it breaks up the glue of the austwins where she can slide into that spot. Talks will be alot more interesting this week for sure.

The flaw with that logic is that Steve knows the Austwins are coming after him anyways as Austin didn't put up James/Meg last week. He almost went home. If a twin goes up, they're a giant bullseye and it would be the worst move in the world not sending a twin home. Since Steve already said to himself he was going to put up Liz/Austin if he won HOH this thursday, what difference would it make to send a twin out now. He would've gotten blood on his hands this week anyways.

"I'm ****ed, oh it's bad, bad bad bad."

Thursday being a double eviction will make it even more enticing to vote out a twin. Would be amazing if Steve channels Andy and blames everything on Vanessa if Austin/twin wins the DE HoH.

No. They realize both james and meg staying is awful for vanessa and that's why she has to make sure meg goes by putting up liz. They won't be happy and may turn on her but they were gonna turn on her eventually anyway. And they'll be madder at steve if liz sent home as it would be his vote doing it. If she puts up jmac it's the worst move besides that dude asking to be evicted so when he came back in he'd have power. Jmac goes and she has james, Meg, prolly austwins all coming for her with only one ally in the house. Putting steve up next worst move. She better not wimp out and get scared to put up liz or she deserves to lose.

Anyone else here find frantic Vanessa really attractive?

I think Vanessa really wants Meg out, so I'm worried that's what will end up happening

Austin WANTS James/Meg to be mad at Vanessa (their F4 isn't real). That's why they didn't want James/Meg leaving this past week. They want the goblins to target Vanessa and not them, keeps the Austwins safe for another week (they didn't know that James was targeting them anyways). They vote out Megs and James will come guns blazing at just about anyone including the Austwins not necessarily Vanessa. That's why Austin has been keeping close with James.

LOL Vanessa floating the idea of putting up Julia to Austin. I knew it!!

Yup, this is what I thought all along. I really think Vanessa's F3 with Steve/Jmac is real. I think she wants to sit in the finals with Jmac or Julia. She knows she's in a bad spot going F4 with Austwins.

She just wants to play the middle. She really needs Meg to go.

I think Austin is smart enough to decipher what Vanessa said. He should know she's going to put up Julia.

And that's why vanessa needs to put up liz to make sure austin and julia vote out meg. If it flips on her at least she breaks up the glue in the austwins and steve as a shield for her since his vote sends liz home. James won't come guns blazing if the austwins choose to save liz over meg. I mean james understands that. He'd only be mad if they choose jmac or steve over meg. Austin says we'll vote out meg over steve or jmac but she can't trust that.

James and meg are gonna be mad at vanessa no matter what. I know their final 4 isn't real(well possible as they were getting closer with her and know if just them and vanessa she can't beat them final 4). But yeah, they don't have loyalty to her where she for sure would be final 4 with them. I don't know if she knows that. But she at least knows going to final 4 with them makes it impossible for her to get to final 2.

Vanessa is not worried about how Austin and Julia will vote. She has to worry how Steve/Jmac is voting. She knows James is going to vote out a twin and the obvious move for Steve/Jmac is to vote out the twin as well. That's all the votes that are needed. She puts up Liz or Julia and the Austwins will know it's a betrayal.

If it was as easy as you're making it sound by just putting up Liz and everything would be OK, why do you think Vanessa is in panic mode right now. She's certain whoever she puts up, Megs isn't leaving.

I think you're right about wanting to sit with julia or jmac. So why put up julia over liz? So austin and liz aren't mad? They gonna be mad anyway. And austin can vote out julia and blame it on jmac and steve. Not likely austin flips(as after show twins would be pissed and he loses someone more loyal to him than meg is) but possible so he has liz to himself. Would make meg and james love him and make steve and jmac targets of vanessa instead of allies. Also julia trusts vanessa more than liz and austin do. That trust would be fractured if she chooses liz over her.

I think the vulnerability makes her more tolerable at least than when she's bullying someone

She's not certain of that at all. She's aligned with steve and jmac so they may decide to vote the way she wants. Only need one of their votes. She's worried that can happen and worried austwins gonna be pissed that she's risking one of them over steve and jmac.

I wonder how meg feels about all this as her boy james is safe. But by doing so there's a 75 percent chance she goes home now where before it prolly was only an extremely small chance.

Austin and Liz would be mad regardless but putting up Liz would essentially mean an attack on Austwins. Liz has won several HOHs and would be HUGE target because she's also in a showmance while Julia is not. Putting up Liz would be a full out attack on Austwins, Austin is smart enough to know that Liz is not the pawn. She'll lose them if she put up Liz. Putting up Julia would be a softer blow because Julia isn't in a showmance and hasn't won jack. It's more believable that Julia is a pawn, it's baloney but easier to sell than Liz.

She's going to try her hardest to get everyone to promise her to vote out Megs. This is what's best for HER game. Right now everyone is scared to go up as a pawn and will tell her everything she wants to hear. Once she's made her decision they will then start scheming. It's not certain Megs will go home only because I don't trust Jmac/Steve as game players but it's such an obvious move for them to send a twin home that's why Vanessa is so freaked out right now.

Agree. Meg not threat as in she will win stuff but she could be to Vanessa if jury hates her enough b/c Meg has ton friends.

John 100% should want Meg to go.
Steve might be closer b/c he most likely won't be 1st option and his style comp is do.

Jmac is the all time worst player in the world so this wouldn't shock me at all.