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But James and Meg alone talking always talk about how strong the 3 are but it's too soon to target them and we have to get Vanessa first. Maybe if they win they will come to the realization but who knows. Between them being strong and them thinking (possibly true who knows) that no one would vote for Vanessa in final 2 they would be dumb to target her.

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08-27-2015 , 05:01 PM

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no, they said alone they'd put up austin and liz

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08-27-2015 , 05:02 PM

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also vanessa was just openly studying for the days comp with johnny mac being the only other person in the room lol

zero tact

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08-27-2015 , 05:11 PM

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James and Meg has said privately to each other that they won't vote for Van if she was in final 2. They don't like the manipulative game that Van plays. Van doesn't have any tact, they don't like her at all. Considering Jackie also hates her guts personally and won't vote for her, Vanessa has a tough road to actually win.

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08-27-2015 , 05:19 PM

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no, they said alone they'd put up austin and liz

They did and immediately said not this week it's too soon and Vanessa has to go first. Maybe they will come to the right decision if they win.

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08-27-2015 , 05:34 PM

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JMac telling Vanessa his whole game. 95% of what he is saying is pre Jeff eviction. Sad

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08-27-2015 , 05:41 PM

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Don't agree with this. Yes I believe they said this but watch Vanessa and John talk right now. John hated Vanessa a week ago now doesn't. I heard John and Becky say they'd vote for Vanessa and Becky hated Vanessa.

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08-27-2015 , 05:47 PM

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You'll notice that I never mentioned Becky or Jmac in my post. I was specifically talking about James/Meg/Jackie, that's 3 votes and it's huge. And how would you know Jmac doesn't hate her still? Based on this convo with Vanessa? LOL.

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08-27-2015 , 05:53 PM

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I realize those 2 weren't in your post but pointing out 2 people who you never expect to vote for Vanessa would. Things change when your sitting jury house and you reflect on the game. If Vanessa it sitting next to Julia Vanessa wins. Sure John might not love her but he doesn't hate her as much.

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08-27-2015 , 05:59 PM

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How can you say with this much conviction that Vanessa would win over Julia?
5 votes are needed, Julia will have Liz and Austin guaranteed (Austin is a little boy and would never do anything to jeopardize his relationship with Liz). James/Meg/Jackie would rather stab a fork in their eyes than vote for Vanessa. That's 5 votes making Jmac and Becky's vote irrelevant. There's no one that Vanessa sits next to that's a guaranteed win for her.

Things could've changed for the jury members who sat at Ponderosa to reflect on their game and gave Russell Hantz their vote too but it didn't happen.

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08-27-2015 , 06:03 PM

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I told you my reason I don't buy they won't vote for Vanessa just because they said they won't a month before it ends.

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08-27-2015 , 06:20 PM

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I hope that I can start to follow again after HOH tonight.

Austin and Liz need to be on the block with Julia/Vanessa as the backdoor.

SOMEONE MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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08-27-2015 , 06:25 PM

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I told you my reason I don't buy they won't vote for Vanessa just because they said they won't a month before it ends.

Sure they could, but you're saying that Vanessa sits next to Julia she wins like it's a sure thing. I gave my reasons why this isn't even remotely close to true. Vanessa could win but it'll be more of a struggle than you may think. These are real people in the house with real feelings, they don't think like delusional fanboys who thinks gameplay trumps all. Vanessa is by far the most tactless and condescending person I have ever seen on BB. Even I wouldn't vote for her if I was in the house. I'm convinced that the way Vanessa talks down to you like she's so much smarter than you is actually a worse personality trait than someone in your face like Russell is.

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08-27-2015 , 06:35 PM

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I didn't see Russel Hantz survivor but it sounded like he was a serious bad guy who did alot of bad stuff to alot of people. Vanessa is not playing a Russell hantz game. Vanessa has not f'd anyone in jury like it sounds Russell did. I don't see how you can make that leap? If vanessa was on meg and james side they would love her as she's very loyal as long as you don't lie to her, which i doubt they would have as they seem like honest people if you're on their team. They are only saying these things because Vanessa worked with shelli and clay to break up their team. They don't know Austwins were thick as thieves in all that as well.

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08-27-2015 , 06:38 PM

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juries are hard to predict imo. especially when its as large as 9 and they get to talk to each other for weeks and compare everything. a lot could depend on which jurors are more influential to others

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08-27-2015 , 06:39 PM

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Last season Jacosta and Donny didn't vote for Derrick who easily played the best game. Their reason was that they didn't like the way Derrick played the game where he would 'fake' pray with them, acted like he was their friend and backstabbed them. People don't like to be manipulated like that. Russell Hantz would tell you to your face he doesn't like you and wouldn't pretend to be your friend.

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08-27-2015 , 06:53 PM

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Evil Dick, Daniele Donato, Dr will, Boogie, Devin, Aaryn, Amanda, GinaMarie, jeremy, Brenchel to name a few may have been just a little less tactful and just a little more condescending. I'm sure there's plenty more as well. And 4 of these people won as a side note. And all the winners are considered all star players who most people love because they deserved it by playing the game strategically well instead of floating to the finish line and doing what they were told. It's a groce exaggeration to say she's done anything that the people i listed have done. In fact she hasn't done anything really.

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08-27-2015 , 06:57 PM

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i wish they'd give them more time for the final 2 questions with the jury. the way they do it now is like 3 questions each and no closing statement, and the whole thing takes like 15-20 minutes. it'd be much better if they were able to go more in depth with their game

they should also have more of a reunion show like survivor has, but they don't. basically their finale should be 1-2 hours longer IMO

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08-27-2015 , 07:05 PM

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Evil Dick, Daniele Donato, Dr will, Boogie, Devin, Aaryn, Amanda, GinaMarie, jeremy, Brenchel to name a few may have been just a little less tactful and just a little more condescending. I'm sure there's plenty more as well. And 4 of these people won as a side note. And all the winners are considered all star players who deserved it because they played the game strategically well instead of floating to the finish line. It's a groce exaggeration to say she's done anything that the people i listed have done. In fact she hasn't done anything really.

LOL @ putting the charming Dr Will in that group.

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08-27-2015 , 07:05 PM

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endurance comp tonight

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08-27-2015 , 07:09 PM

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I just typed out an essay in response to the above post and then realized it was by fanboy DarkCheck. Quickly deleted my post.

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08-27-2015 , 07:09 PM

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LOL @ putting the charming Dr Will in that group.

I almost didn't put him as he was charming. But sometimes during the game people knew he was being manipulative and they certainly thought he had a huge ego. We loved him but some of the houseguests didn't. And his final 2 speech didn't seem very tactful and non-condescending. Even Boogie didn't like his final 2 speech but he still won because enough people realized he played the better game.

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08-27-2015 , 07:13 PM

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endurance comp tonight

Could be that moving the egg through the wire comp

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08-27-2015 , 07:13 PM

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endurance comp tonight

This season is the best. Endurance HOH comp live feed nights is the best thing ever.

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08-27-2015 , 07:21 PM

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Rooting so hard for V to win this just cause 4SP is so positive that she can't.

I think she's still a long shot who will probably get targeted and if she doesn't can still lose certain final 2's to butthurt. However, of the HG's remaining she has had the most success so far of manipulating the vote so she's drawing very live if that continues and the jury respects it. If she does lose a final 2, it would be because of her very average social game.

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