I'm sure it's just an error but please explain James throws hoh to James comment

Sorry about that. HOH came down to Austin and James. Austin had a deal with everyone so it might of been better to let James win. Good chance Vanessa goes home in that case or small chance James goes back on his deal and puts Austin/Liz/Julia up. For some reason Austin doesn't want to put James up over fear he will come back. If Steve or John win POV expect James or Vanessa to go up. If Vanessa goes up she will leave and Austin/Liz/Julia become the main targets. If James goes up he ruins his deal with Meg and James. Meg not a threat so the only fear would be James coming back. Liz target last week were John and Becky and now Austin puts up Steve and John so you can't expect John to care about Austin going forward.

For good two weeks straight Austin/Liz/Julia have been talking bad about Vanessa behind her back so while it might be better to keep her with someone coming back its just a matter of time until someone puts them up.

James is the best.

I cannot express how much I detest Vanessa.

The most interesting thing that could happen today is Jmac winning veto, because Austin pretty much has an alliance with everyone else in the house and it would force him to have to turn on someone.

Don't get the Vanessa hate. She is pretty clearly top five all time best player. Are you people wanting them to cast more clueless models?

He kinda did already. Jmac told Steve he is the target so the trust there with Austin is gone. Steve also cant fully trust him now either.

This is just incorrect. She has the strategic mind but she is emotional as **** and has a very poor social game. Compared to someone like Dan she is a complete scrub.

I like Vanessa, but I'd like her a little better if her crying was put on and she didn't take things so to heart. She scrambles around trying to position herself with everyone, but then seems wronged or hurt when other people do the same things.

The very best players manage to do what they do and still hold the respect of their opponents. Vanessa is having a hard time hanging on to the respect because of how she reacts when things are going sideways.

Even so, I still find her rootable, and I don't understand my mother in law preferring Meg. Like she'd be happy if Meg won. I can understand liking Meg. She seems like a nice person. But she's not playing this game hard or well.

Mother in law said she respected Becky for not giving Vanessa the time of day when Vanessa was trying to make a deal with her. I said that's well and good, but it's bad game play. Dismissing other players and closing doors is not good strategy in this game.

Whether to keep your options open for working with a player in the future, or just to garner some goodwill for an endgame vote, treating other people with possibly a measure of respect you do not feel they've earned is the best course.

And the fact that Vanessa has pushed multiple people in the game to the point that they want to get her out more than they want to win does not speak well of her social game.

Season would be unwatchable without her. There is not another functioning brain cell in the house.

Clovis is a delusional fanboy. Pretty sure he told Garrett that he played a great game in the survivor thread as well.

True, he promised Steve that he wouldn't put him up against Jmac, then proceeded to do it. I'm not sure why Steve is even still talking to him.

One of the twins is on every channel, making them all unwatchable. I can't wait for one of them to leave.

eta: I guess they're not so bad with the sound off.

Says Elisa's biggest fan

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is Steve was making demands and putting Austin on the spot to say he wouldn't put steve up against jmac. And steve's lucky Austin isn't pissed at him. Steve shouldn't be demanding not to be put up against jmac on Austin's hoh. If steve wants to make the decisions on who goes up he should stop throwing so many hoh's. It's ok to make a request but not ok to dictate who goes up which is only best for his game. The right move was made for Austin and the twins game. The noms are only not good for steve because he might lose his most trusted ally. If jmac leaves steve's worried that he doesn't have a person to fight with later on in the game because he doesn't know if he can trust vanessa. And he knows he has no relationship atm with james or meg.

I think instead of pushing for Vanessa to go up push for James.

Not everyone can be as ugly and bad at the game as that bridge troll Sarah.

Steve would have been a valuable ally for the Austwins though, because at some point soon they're going to have to go against Meg, James and Vanessa, and Steve is capable of winning HOH's and would have been willing to take the blood for that.

I don't get it either. I have no idea bout the top 5 all time or not. Maybe top 5 for entertainment, she's a very good player, but her emotions and reckless play makes me think not top 5. But she's clearly playing a game that deserves liking as opposed to hating imo. As she makes bold moves. She's entertaining to watch as she's always talking game. She's loyal, except to steve. I think her hate comes from the emotional stuff which i can understand it annoying people. It hurts her game. But even then it just shows how much she cares to be there. Even that is at least entertaining as you never know who she may blow up at/good tv.

Austin, John, Steve, Meg, Julia, Vanessa playing for veto.

She has made numerous alliances with almost every possible combination of people in the house, and stabbed nearly every one of them in the back, and she's a complete crybaby when she gets challenged on anything. Yet she thinks she's playing a completely loyal game. That's why people don't like her. She's basically Audrey but a much more skillful manipulator.

Personally I hope she stays around though because she's great entertainment.

None of this is seen on the tv show which is my only source. She does seem to be a bit of a cry baby but otherwise solid strategic player.

Yes, they have left out a ton of her blowups where she goes into her indignant Miss Piggy voice and talks at 100 miles an hour about how she's the most loyal and trustworthy person ever. Meanwhile plotting to throw under the bus Audrey/Austin/Jason/Shelli/Steve/Clay or whoever she had an alliance with the previous week. Along with the constant "do I have your word" and gameplaying all the time with no ability just to interact as a real person.

This is what the house thinks because they can't see what's really going on from outside the house. They just believe other people's lies and suspicions. And or because they want to to pin everything on her because she's the easy scapegoat. Please show where she's made numerous alliances with almost every combination of people in the house and stabbed nearly every one of them in the back. She's only been in 2 alliances "freaks and geeks" and sixth sense". She has been 100 percent loyal throughout to those 2 alliances, except to steve. But not loyal to him only because she was doing to help the rest of the alliance. She is one of the most loyal people in the house. But if you start lying to her and she can't trust you as a result, you may understandably lose her trust. Basically everyone in the house has lied or been disloyal to someone in their alliance but all are seen as "loyal", while vanessa is seen as the disloyal one lol. Out of the entire cast vanessa, john, james(though he sold out jace but he probably saw it as a fake alliance since he was working with 8 person alliance) and steve were the most loyal people in the house until people gave them a reason not to be. Everyone else are sell outs.

She's not close to Audrey. Audrey was making up lies to everyone in the house from day 1 to create chaos and mistrust. She was throwing her own people under the bus while they were helping to protect her. She was sabotaging herself and everyone in the game with her lies. Audrey seems cool outside the game but in the game she was a bad player.

The crybaby stuff i agree with. But their are many cry babies in the house and if they were being unfairly treated as outcasts from their closest allies like vanessa was they woulda been crying alot too.

None of it is seen on the feeds either. It's all bs so the other houseguests can be disloyal and use her as a scapegoat to help their game.