I haven't watched much, where do Austwins and Steve stand?

She was spot on with Becky's game though.

Haven't watched much this week but if they knew Meg, Jackie, James want Vanessa to stay I think they'd agree.

Austin made a comment yesterday something to the effect of "we're losing the brains of the outfit" so I suspect he'd be on board with keeping Vanessa.

eta: somewhat reluctantly though, because he also resents that Vanessa keeps bringing up that he owes her

Didn't Vanessa basically tell them everything?

Austwins have completely sold out Vanessa. They didn't even ask anyone if they'd consider keeping vanessa. Not a word! If Vanessa gets saved it's because the goblins decided to evict shelli. The irony is the goblins are planning on going to the austwins to see if it's ok if they save vanessa over shelli. As they have no idea who austwins would prefer because austwins haven't brought it up lol. And they think the twins are closer with shelli because of the sorority stuff.

Steve has more loyalty to vanessa but figured she was done so was staying out of it. And was looking to allign with(john's idea) john, shelli, becky. Even though he hates becky but saying ok to john for now. Steve's still good with Austwins but i'm sure he realizes they will sell him out shortly as he sees how their treating their girl vanessa. I think he will vote vanessa if vanessa can confirm she'll have the votes to stay 2 hours before eviction. If vanessa doesn't think she has the votes 2 hours before eviction she told him to vote to keep shelli if it's better for his game.

Well the more gung ho they are to keep Vanessa the more the other side will realize there is a reason they want to save her. Even if it wasn't on purpose it's probably best for now if they don't do anything.

Right. Austwins might accidentally save her by selling out on her lol. But when goblins come to them they need to play it cool so they don't jump for joy Goblins wanting to keep vanessa. I think julia likes vanessa so she'd be the one jumping for joy.

Do you guys think Vanessa will finally wear a dress for the live show?

Don't think it would go with her hat.

best post ITT....poor meg lol

I think this will all fall apart once they tell Becky. She will not be cool being left hubg out to dry as the easy DE target. She may also realise that there is a good opportunity at hand. All she would have to do would convince Austin and the Twins that the ADC are not saving Vanessa without extracting a deal from her which would mean they won't target her at the DE.

I'd just straight up try for a final 7 deal with Austwins, Steve, Shelli and Jmac.

You mean the way she left them out to dry by leaving Shelli in?

Saw on jokers that Becky tried to make an alliance with the James side of the house and call them the generals also. Is this true?

Sample bias

If they get rid of Vanessa it only helps Becky/John.

If they keep Shelli then Becky is safe from everyone.

If they take out Shelli and John wins HOH he's still not going put James, Jackie, Meg up.

James was talking to Megs and recalling the time when they were thinking of names for their Dark Moon alliance he is positive that Becky brought up the name Generals. He thought at the time it was such a stupid name. That's why when Vanessa told them about the Generals with her, Beck, and Clelli it hit James like a ton of bricks.

Makes sense. What an idiot to try the same alliance name with different people.

Liz- She (Vanessa) reminds me of Audrey sometimes. She is scary. At this point I kind of wouldnt mind Shelli over her. Austin- Me too

Keeping Vanessa for them seems like a no brainier but you never know with them.

I dunno what Austin is doing. He is talking to James and I thought he was trying to help Vanessa but then he says Vanessa probably told Shelli about the plan.

Austin isn't doing a good job of trying to keep Vanessa safe. James is willing to give up his votes like a cat in heat

Really don't understand Austin unless he wants Vanessa out. I guess he does but it's really bad for his game.

Austin isn't smart.

Maybe he thinks there's no way James and them change their votes so he is going with the flow and he doesn't want them to think he is against them? Not sure.

But u know Austin will take credit for flipping James when Vanessa finds out that she's safe