She completely lacks self awareness. It's truly incredible.

Its only Monday maybe Vanessa best hope is Meg, Jackie, James start to think as we get closer to Thursday.

James could flip. He's currently mad at Shelli for stealing back Clay's hoodie that he was wearing, would be funny if he flipped his vote because of it

Wait until Vanessa finds out that Shelli knew about the plan from the beginning. Gonna be some fireworks then.

Goblins talking about getting Shelli out, Vanessa may not have to campaign very hard this week

But you know Vanessa WILL campaign very hard. She will campaign her way right outta the house.

I can't believe they can be that dumb but you know the game really is getting down to "brass tax."

damn, Meg and Jackie want to keep Vanessa. was not expecting that. basically they realized Shelli is coming after them/james, while Vanessa would be coming after Becky

Vanessa didn't even have to campaign to them

Yeah it's definitely the best move for the 3 goblins, whether they pull the trigger on it is up in the air. Shelli stealing back Clays hoodie from James may have cost her lol

Glad about this development, but did they come up with it right after they got called to DR?

I'm pulling for a production fix for once. This show is going to be incredibly boring if Shelli stays.

Honestly, Vanessa is horribly out of shape and physically very weak. She's not an athlete, but she's also dead after 5 minutes. She's better than Meg physically, but that's it. Shelli can be a threat in endurance or mental.

If they get rid of Shelli, they are up against a team that doesn't have much staying power in any physical competition. Possibly Julia might be okay. Haven't saw enough of her, but if you don't know all Vanessa's personal connections, I can see how you might think Shelli is more of a threat. Particularly in that hidden ball thing they always do during double. You could place Vanessa's balls right on top and she'd still come in 3rd.

They'll probably decide to keep Vanessa and on Thursday morning she'll freak out and think they're playing her and mess it all up.

Yes because it's the obvious move for them. They tell James this and it's a lock. There goes the theory that Vanessa is 100% dead. No she's not, she never was. Vanessa needs to compose herself and make her case to the goblins. If she's suppose to be such a good strategist, she would've thought of this by now.

So it appears it was Clay who let James wear his clothes before he got evicted. Left some pieces of clothing for him including the hoodie. Shelli is so vengeful and so irrational, hilarious! Shelli furious at James walking around in Clay's clothes is the best thing ever.

No idea about production, it looked pretty organic to me. And all of their reasons make a ton of sense from their perspective

Her plan should be to go to the goblins(meg, jackie, james) and say "I really want to stay. If you save me i will be indebted to the goblins and help you in this game. I know that would be a conflict of interest for me but these last couple days have shown me the Austwins don't care for me like i thought they did. They're not even fighting for me. So because of that i don't feel the need to be loyal to them. I have more pull with some players you wouldn't think as well. I've been in alliance with Steve from the beginning and i can get him to work with us against the austwins. You save me and i pretend to be on Austwins side like nothings changed. So i will get all their info and bring it back to you guys until we take out Austin, jmac, becky, twins. And you won't be targeted by me or steve. And i will influence the austwins to not target you guys but direct them at jmac, becky first. While that's happening they will be shrinking until we'll have the majority vote and we can all be sure we're safe. I'd love to make a final 5 with you 3, me, and Steve. We call our alliance "geeks and goblins." This would be great for you guys because you will always know what the enemies plans are. And nobody would ever think we were working together. Let's do this!

That's what a rational person might say. Vanessa will probably let them know that they owe her, and if they save her she will make them a deal for safety next week.

I hope she doesn't think the goblins are playing her just for info before she leaves when they talk to her, like they did with clelli. If she realizes this is legitimate and she calms her nerves i think she'll be good.

This will only work if they don't talk to Becky, because she will convince them to stick with the original plan. The goblins are the wishy-washiest group ever.

They will talk to Becky about it but it doesn't matter. The more Becky tries to shoot it down to save Shelli, the more reason the goblins will need to get rid of her. They'll realize that Becky and Shelli are much closer than they thought. Becky will be upset but she really can't do anything about it because she'll have to target Vanessa the following week or even the Austwins because she has brought it up so many times that all 3 of the Austwins has to go to jury. As mad as she is, she still can't go against the goblins because she needs them. Getting rid of Shelli is a huge win for James and his goblinettes.

It would be awesome if the goblins don't tell becky then the votes comes in 7 to 1(john being the one in the dark) to evict shelli. Then you see Vanessa smile and glare at Becky and walk away like she's "dropping the mic"!

It won't go like that though. They'll tell becky. The goblins should explain to Becky we know you want vanessa out for your personal reasons but it's not best for our game. Shelli is more against the team than vanessa is. We're still with you but you were thinking what was best for your game not the teams game. You never asked us who the team wanted out you told us you're taking out Vanessa. Now that we have time to think about it we can't jeopardize 75 percent of our team's best interests for your best interests. If you're a true team player you'll understand.

You guys are giving me hope. I've been rooting for Vanessa and thought she was dead for a little while.

This house would suck if she went home.

I honestly think J/J/M are fairly set on voting Shelli out. Last night they were basically trying to figure out the best way to do this and how to handle it with Becky. And this was without Vanessa campaigning. It's funny because J/J/M are probably gonna approach Vanessa to save her before she approaches them to campaign; right now Vanessa has essentially given up. But if I had to bet I'd say Vanessa stays. Obv a lot can happen between now and Thursday though.

It'll also suck that hardly any of this will make it onto the show since Thursday is the double eviction.

here are the updates from jokers last night if anyone missed them (read in reverse order):


Tue 3:55 AM BBT Meg: I know this is bad to say but it's better for Becky to be targeted & on the block than for James to be on the block. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 3:43 AM BBT Meg says she'd rather keep Vanessa and take the risk of Becky getting mad. Jackie says she'd rather be in jury house with Shelli - cher
rather than Vanessa.
Tue 3:41 AM BBT Meg says Becky loves Shelli for some reason. Jackie says that's good for Becky but not us. Jackie says Becky knows Vanessa will be - cher
after her. Meg says yeah but that's just one person. Meg says The thing is we have a better chance to protect Becky from Vanessa because Shelli will be coming after ALL of us.
Tue 3:37 AM BBT Jackie says Becky will just have to deal with it (them keeping Vanessa). Meg says she'll get over it. Jackie says Becky told them - cher
all to vote how they want. Meg says she's gonna be mad. Jackie says they'll explain it to Becky and they'll tell her that they won't do it if she doesn't want them to. Meg says But we have to do it! Jackie says Yeah we'll convince her after that.
Tue 3:33 AM BBT Meg says Becky's gonna kill us. Jackie says Becky will be maddest at Jackie cuz she's always had Becky's back. Meg thinks - cher
Becky will understand. Meg suddenly remembers that Thursday is Jason's birthday.
Tue 3:30 AM BBT Meg says she will kick herself if they let this chance go to get Shelli out. Jackie says they will figure out what to do with - cher
Vanessa. Meg says Vanessa's already down so it will be easy to get her out next. Jackie agrees and says Vanessa knows the house is after her, it's done, she'll be easy to get out. Jackie says that if they don't get Shelli out this week, it won't ever happen.
Tue 3:10 AM BBT Jackie/Meg still in dark HN room super stealth whispering but It seems they are still favoring keeping Vanessa. NT - cher
Tue 2:50 AM BBT Jackie says Becky is gonna freak out if they keep Vanessa. Meg says they can explain it to her and how Vanessa will be easier to - cher
get out next. Jackie says if we don't get rid of Shelli now, Shelli will survive DE.
Tue 2:46 AM BBT Meg says they wouldn't be able to make a deal with Shelli. - cher
Jackie says Shelli's still mad about Clay leaving and wants James out.
Tue 2:43 AM BBT Jackie/Meg in dentist chairs in dark HN room whispering, going over scenarios and whether they should keep Vanessa. Jackie worried - cher
about going on the block with Becky if Vanessa stays and wins HOH. Meg says Vanessa is gunning for Becky and will make the house evict Becky over Jackie. They agree they need to talk to Vanessa.
Tue 2:11 AM BBT James, Meg and Jackie are plotting in have-not room while Becky is doing arts & crafts with apples and bananas in the kitchen. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 1:59 AM BBT James: I hate to do this to the HOH but last week the whole house went against me. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 1:58 AM BBT Meg: Wait, Steve likes Van. We could get him to keep Van and vote out Shelli. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 1:57 AM BBT Meg: JMac will vote Van out. We still need 5 votes! James: We have to get the twins on board to keep Van. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 1:55 AM BBT James, Meg and Jackie have decided to keep Van and vote Shelli out. They're trying to come up with the votes to do so. NT - PowerofVito
Tue 1:41 AM BBT James pitching booting Shelli instead of Vanessa in HN room. NT - HumanFrailty

Meg / James putting pieces together on Becky's game.

Game is over. Meg has planned out the next 6 weeks. Clear path to victory for Meg.

If only it was that easy.

I was kidding obv. She still has no clue where people stand.