I don't know what more you want Vanessa to do to be "loyal." She made a whole plan to have Shelli and JMac on the block to make sure everyone she is with is safe which almost worked and somehow still might work. Obviously she has to look out for herself first.

Well Austin is "loyal" to Vanessa to. By your definition, he won't put her up if he wins HOH. But we're clearly seeing now he doesn't give a damn if Vanessa leaves and is backdoored even though she's been loyal to him. That's not what I call a good alliance member. I see Vanessa the same way, she may be loyal now but she's not a good ally like the way James/Meg/Jackie would be to each other.

Meg admitted she wouldn't put Clay up who would have been gunning for James. That is less loyal than anything Vanessa has done.

Ok now you're reaching. Stop.

I do think Austin is loyal. Austin is scared if she takes Shelli down him, Liz, or Julia will go up.

James/Meg/Jackie are the same way they just have less numbers.

put me in the vanessa isn't loyal camp. she created a plan to blindside austin 2 weeks ago. she all but explicity told james to put up clelli, to remove herself as a target. she offered steve as a backdoor option to james. loyalty is just her image, not her actual gameplay.

See, this guy knows what he's talking about.

Main prob with Vanessa is that she believes these crazy ideas she thinks up. Complete loose cannon

Those move have reasons!

If were talking Liz/Julia loyalty then that's not Vanessa.

it's not necessarily a knock on vanessa's game. but if you view her as a person that's playing everyone, then her actions make the most sense. she emotionally manipulative too. when clelli got nominated by james, vanessa has her crying fit in front of the rest of the house in the backyard to distance herself from clelli. james asked her if she was okay with him putting up clelli, and she approved. she knew they were getting put up. she had that emotional outburst prepared. vanessa is playing everyone all the time, like audrey tried to, except vanessa is much better at it.

i think she's that calculating. she's portraying emotional hysteria as much as possible. it's like playing up an image of a LAGtard in poker.

That's not the full story tho.

Vanessa tried to talk to Shelli/Clay but she felt they were blaming her over everything. Shelli clearly says the alliance is over then Vanessa blows up in backyard.

The thing with Vanessa is that she'd be so much more loved by the audience had she just owned up for her actions. She'll tell James the HOH that's there's a power couple alliance that's running the house and would make good targets but she doesn't want to say the names because she's a "loyal" person. Either you're a villain or you're not but don't act like a villain and try to put up this facade that you're the most honest and loyal player in the game. Her manipulative ways have caught up to her and the other side of the house can't stand her and wants her out in the worst way.

That's why she's always looking for a "reason" to go against someone driving herself crazy to make herself look like a good person. She can't fathom putting up someone because they're not in your alliance is a good enough reason instead of staging all these fights and lies to make herself look good.

+1 Vanessa would be an awesome villain

Started quick because apparently it's a 3 hour comp, each person going individually. So we're not gonna know for a long time. Maybe the whole thing is around 3 hours half hour each? Otherwise that's a really long time to have feeds off. Time comp favors Becky because she's the most agile of the competitors. Sounds like mind comp which that part should favor Steve and Vanessa.

Clelli and Austwins both repeatedly said we are drawing a line in the sand.
Vanessa kept saying I can't take Jason out because I'll have all the blood, I can only do it if we admit we all did it together. They all agreed. Once the other side won HOH everyone else wouldn't own up to it so of course she is saying there are other people involved without saying names.

The reason she is looking for a reason is because she wants people to think she is not playing strategically. Also because she wants people to think she is alone. She targeted the other side of the house twice in a row and they still don't realize there is another side going against them partly because of her "reasons." They also think no one has her back when she has the most allies in the house.

I think they do realize she has allies, Jackie pieced it together finally

Scampering Steve better win this ****

Veto has been going for a while now, must be one of those comps where you go one at a time.

Her game has been blown up. Vanessa is Becky's, Jmac's, Meg's, Jackie's, and James' #1 target. People do compare notes in BB and it's a matter of time before people start to figure things out. Not a good way to play the game being disingenuous to so many people. You can't play all sides of the house before it catches up to you and make everyone resent you.

Why? Vanessa would go home. Best case scenario is Austin winning and leaving it the same so Shelli goes. I loathe Shelli.

Weakening the S6 while keeping Vanessa in the game is the optimal viewer experience.

Exactly!

I'm rooting for vanessa to win pov and pull Shelli. Then Becky be pressured into put up jmac. Then jmac goes home. But i'd be ok with austin winning and keeping noms the same making shelli go home.

I so want Vanessa to regain her power in the house and take out Becky, Jackie, and Meg especially.

Vanessa vs Shelly OTB is good TV

Any timed individual vetoes I can think of favor Shelli and Vanessa.

Been 5 hours should be over soon.