If this scenario happens James and jackie would be idiotic if they don't tell Steve that Vanessa signed off on backdooring him this week. And if Steve turned(doubt he would, but if he did i wouldn't blame him because they're being shady with him) it would be Vanessa's fault for lying to him and not asking him if it was ok for you to do. Don't you think if Steve was told to go to the HOH and say you're good with backdooring Vanessa that he wouldn't tell her? Whether you thought she would go home or not doesn't matter. He would feel it's something she should(and want) to know. If Steve did what she did/does to him she would freak out.

He wouldn't target Shelli if Vanessa explained to him that we have bigger fish to fry/who cares. That many people target him already so now clelli joined the bandwagon and took a shot at him. In fact he knows clelli tried to backdoor him now and he's not targeting her. He doesn't play emotionally. He probably is a little sad they would do that to him but he understands he was the easy target to try and backdoor. And he doesn't have an alliance with them. Steve has a right to know from Vanessa when people are trying to evict him period!

Everyone thinks Clay and Shelli are Vanessa's number 1 allies. Do you think it would not raise some eyebrows if Vanessa was like NO DON'T PUT STEVE UP keep noms the same.

Becky/John don't seem to like Vanessa fans but would they put her up since both are working with Shelli/Clay?

First she should have fought as hard as she did to tell clelli "don't out our alliance whatever you do." To tell Clelli you can't go for Steve. That it would be horrible play and hurt all their games. And fight more for Becky or someone else to backdoor. That being said she decided to let them do what they had to do in regards to Steve....

First she should have went to Austwins and told them to tell clelli we won't agree to a steve backdoor so don't even try as you won't get the votes. If they still decided to do it Austwins and Vanessa shoulda talked James into not liking the backdoor idea. Saying subtly "What has Steve done? He hasn't done anything and we're gonna backdoor him before jury?" We don't really care about Steve game-wise but it doesn't feel right to evict the kid because clelli desperately trying to save their own ass throw him under the bus for nothing.

Most importantly she should have went to Steve right away and told him all of this. He may have agreed to let them throw his name out if they assured him he would stay. Or he woulda fought that it was too risky leave me out of this. But he has a right to know all this is going down.

Sickest move would have been James replacing Clay with Vanessa at the veto and then having a meeting with them. Tell them that he has started getting a picture of what is going on but it seems like there's still stuff to come out and the first one to tell him everything will get Meg and Jackie's vote.

Vanessa pushed for Becky they wouldn't.

She did almost everything you said as best as she could without being overbearing especially since she was a backdoor target. She can't control every single thing everyone does and make sure nothing bad ever happens to Steve. That is not plausible.

Yeah, but she didn't try very hard. She just said "what about becky? Clelli said nnnah, she's been helping us. Vanessa moved on. Vanessa shoulda been like "do you want to stay together or not? You want to play dirty against Steve when it probably won't work anyway. Why not play dirty with Becky someone who is playing both sides. That you have true dirt on her to use." And tell clelli that she will talk austwins to be on board and try to influence James into Becky plan.

Vanessa knows Clay going isn't the worst thing for her game.

Shelli/Clay decided to protect everyone they had outs but didn't take them.

Vanessa is getting a big group together for who to target on double eviction! Dark Moon II

and they are going to vote Clay out even if Meg, James, Jackie don't want to?

Vanessa is trying to make sure of it. Austin wants to stage a fight with Clay to give a REASON.

Becky is the all time most annoying houseguest. Steve just face palmed as she started to talk for the 40th straight minute at dinner.

Jackie: Shelli is going. It's not their (Austwins) decision on who to vote out. They know the rules.

OH MY GOD. Jackie and James are falling for Vanessa's Dark Moon II idea. They might not fall for it after Shelli stays though.

Its funny how blinded they are.

OMG they think Austin/Liz/Julia/Vanessa will put up Clay/Steve.


hahhahahahha

Meg: We can convince the Lizstins that Vanessa is a floater.

Meg will you have hard time taking Shelli out?

These idiots dont even realize that if they take out Liztin they have to get Liz out.

Please have blindside Thursday.

It's amazing how bad this Meg/James/Jackie/Becky group is at playing Big Brother.

It's like a collective willful ignorance. It always seem like one person begins to have a cogent thought, and the rest will quickly dismiss the one person actually on point.

Jackie actually had the right idea to target Vanessa last night, but the group idiocy took over thankfully. Now, Meg points out the obvious whispering amongst the group that could save Shelli, and the group dismisses it. Why do you think they are whispering and quickly quiet when you show up?

They never work through all the angles, so it ends up just random thoughts popping into random heads with the group dismissing critical thinking in favor of wishful thinking at the end.

It's amazing they can't anticipate very obvious moves as a group, only individually for a moment, but then the group always falls on the wrong side. It's so strange. Usually a group will always come to a more informed decision when various members have pieces of different information. Their sum somehow equals less than their parts, which is amazing, given how bad their parts are.

They want to target Vanessa for all the wrong reasons but they got there. But they are idiots so they can change at any time.

LOL

Meg: Becky, you have to bowchikawowow