I'm pretty sure Vanessa has convinced herself that Audrey didn't start the girls alliance rumors.

Agree. She cares to much where Audrey is 100% game.

This. She thinks either Day started it or Jeff.

She didn't seem to care she was transgender before when she thought Audrey threw her under the bus. Vanessa isn't stupid where she thinks Audrey is completely innocent. This has to be production telling Vanessa help her out. As all of a sudden she wants to help Audrey rebuild her image and go far? What changed? Maybe a little talk in the DR.

Btw, Jeff could stay this week if the other side of the house agreed to vote Jeff. Jason, Meg, Jackie, Johnny, Becky and AUDREY would be the over the top vote. As much as Audrey is team Vanessa and Shelli she may not have a choice if she's America's player or saboteur. But the other side of the house are leaning James anyway probably because Vanessa exposed him to be a sneaky player playing the whole house ala Audrey. So they think they can trust James more long term.

Can someone explain to me why you guys think there's a secret America's player or saboteur? They've never done that where they hid it cause on the cbs shows Julie would talk about it and show you how to vote on certain things.

I don't think there is for those reasons.

Most people in here don't think she is. But i think she is because she isn't stupid and she's acting like the stupidest person ever in BB history. Everytime she gets a group to protect her/align she then throws them under the bus sabotaging her and her alliances game. It doesn't make any sense unless she doesn't get to choose her own decisions.

Also Jason has said every year they're voting on something either America's player or what the houseguests should be forced to eat when they're the have-nots. They haven't had america give them something different to eat so he feels it must be because there is an america's player.

She also seems to know everything that's going on in the game where if she was a normal player she wouldn't know these things. Especially when she was ostracized by the whole house. Once that happened nobody talked any real info on game after that yet she knew exactly what was going on just as good as the live feeders watching. This could just be production leaking info to her because they want her to stay as she's good for ratings but it could also be because she works for BB or America.

Oh and on the memory wall her photo has her mouth closed just like Liz. Liz had a secret(she's a twin) so Audrey has some secret and it is hinted at on the wall of them keeping their mouth's shut on their secret.

You can't be Americas player without America knowing.

You realize America is not voting on it right?

Well Jason doesn't know everything and grodner is probably letting the dr leak info to her to keep her around. It's been done before. Also I think her being ostracised from the house makes it easier for her to see things clearly as she can see who's hanging out with who instead of being aligned with anyone for sure all day and coming up with conspiracies theories the way we're seeing Vanessa do right now upstairs.

They may have has some group vote before the show started and since she has a good story they chose her.

Explain how she knows so much about the game(she knows just as much as we do or more watching the live feeds) when nobody told her any info as they were scared to trust her? And why does she sabotage her own game everytime with all this extra info? Even if she was the dumbest person on the planet(which she isn't as she seems fairly intelligent) you think her decisions would lean on the people she is aligned with/protecting her. Not constantly do the opposite of what's best for her game.

I mean what's more likely? That she has a special secret or that she's not only the WOAT but can't make one right decision ever when she clearly is being leaked more info than anyone in the house.

So a secret group of Americans is voting. That has to be the most likely scenario.

Liz is going to slip up about being a twin in front of Audrey soon.

Oh Audrey is the only one who doesn't know Liz is a twin. Why haven't the producers or secret American society tell her?

Audrey is not that smart btw. For example she says random sayings but uses the wrong words all the time.

It's been brought up before but they found pills in Audrey's bed so who knows what's in her head. I see her being spiteful more than just stupid.

wait people think audrey is smart?

She's entertaining ill giver her that, in a has-0%-to-win-pathological way.

Cool shes transgender but they haven't turned it into some big thing.

I think Audrey feels at the bottom of the alliance so she's planting seeds to Shelli so down the road Shelli/Clay target Vanessa/Austin. She wants to cause chaos to hopefully slip by.

Also just gonna point out Vanessa/Austin/Shelli tell her a ton of stuff they shouldn't.

Audrey still doesn't know about the twin.

She probably knew about the twin before coming in the game but production told her not to tell anyone. Funny how everyone talks about the twin/everyone knows except the one person that clearly has more info from production. Or it wasn't something production feels they need to tell her. They only tell her stuff when they are ready to steer their story(what they think will be best for ratings)in a certain direction. When Liz got discovered one of the first things she said was "didn't you see my mouth was closed on the wall just like Audrey's". This may have been a slip as she knows Audrey's secret or just suspects audrey because she is the other with the mouth closed. Maybe production has leaked this to Vanessa or Vanessa picked up on Liz telling her about the Audrey mouth closed which is leading Vanessa to protect her.

I agree you on Audrey not knowing how to say words. I've seen that before a few times. I forget now but one i think was she said taxed when she meant to say tact or something like that. But that can just be she has poor vocabulary or schooling. It doesn't mean she doesn't have common sense. It shouldn't make her walk into on coming traffic like she does in this game.

Jeff: I had such a good response to Vanessa. If she doesn't believe it she's dumb. It was half way valid.

LOL

The whole twin thing was/is their lead story. Liz never said the mouth thing. The house used that as a reason when they first suspected it. For some reason you believe the theories of the people in the house when they don't have all of the information that you do to know when their theories are correct or not.

Becky hasn't been in DR since Day left ha.

Austin is a moron. Tells Liz to tell Jeff she's a twin.

Just saw this, so stupid. The sixth sense already discussed as a back up plan to tell the house if Liz makes top 10 then her twin enters. So why just openly admit it and skip strait to the back up plan? Austin is acting like he just thought of it as a great idea to move forward with voluntarily. Then Liz acts like it is some great original idea too. In her defense maybe Julia didn't fill her in on that part.

I'm pretty sure Liz kind of doesn't care if she is discovered because she is tired of hiding it while Julia is working hard to be smart and keep it under wraps.

I honestly think one of the twins alone could play a really good game. It obviously has to be hard for them together. I think they just agree with whatever Austin or Vanessa say because they're only there half the time so they have to just blindly go with their friends.

Wow Jeff finally admitted he played too hard to Jackie. Well then he said it was working flawlessly till a psychopath got HOH lol.

He also thinks Liz owes him a favor and he has her vote.