They are trying to make a slip n slide out of garbage bags right now. Good chance someone loses their bathing suit, or at least gets injured coming!

If they want to play on a slip n slide, you'd think Grodner would have a dozen of them delivered to the house like five minutes ago

I was under the understanding that this is the spoilers okay zone since most are either reading the live updates or watching the live feeds.

So yeah! Spoiler tags not necessary here... imo it's gonna be more fun this way.

This times a million. You can't watch this show without following the live feeds or at least a website like jokersupdates.com, because then you are just getting the producer take and not the reality of what is truly going on.

After watching tonights episode I feel like kathy is too obvious to be the saboteur. Kinda like a cheesy scary movie that keeps showing a scary old man, and it turns out he was protecting the good guys the whole movie...then he gets killed.

I'm sticking with my Kristen guess. If it turns out to be Kathy she's lolbad at this game

on live feeds right now, matt, britney and rachel talking about how this is the best gathering of personalities of all time and think they'll get the best ratings.

=O

Watching the feeds I feel sorry for Annie trying so hard to gather votes. Everyone is trying to tell her it's not over until it's over and try your best but when she asks them IF i had the votes would I have your vote everyone is backing off saying they won't.

Nobody is gonna stick their heads out obviously. Whoever does it is especially 1st week is considered disrespecting the HOH's wishes etc. Everyone gonna go with the majority. No dummy this season to do anything crazy first week. First week should always be as long as it's not me. Hayden already made 3 enemies by nominating them and is keeping 2 of them in who are apparently a couple. Dumb

If you were in the house, would keeping the Saboteur around til week 5 be the +ev play?

Ignoring the face that you could NEVER broach the subject b/c it would basically instantly vote you out. You'd imagine that the only downside would be the Sab winning an HOH and randomly putting you up, but the odds of that have got to be pretty low. The stuff that he/she does around the house is pretty tame, and yeah it would suck to get him/her on your team in a have/have not comp, but the odds on winning one of those are still going to be 50/50 pretty much no matter what the composition of the teams is (even with the Sab gone, it's still pretty much a random shot to get good/bad players on your side).

The #1 goal in BB has always been to keep the people that have no shot of winning around for as long as possible, and the Sab has literally 0% shot of winning. I'd say the biggest factor would be the chance that if the Sab sticks around til week 5, that he/she would be replaced with someone whose been voted out. In that case, I think it's super possible to get to week 4/5 and have a real good idea of who the Sab is, and if a majority of the people already voted out would come back and be on your side, it would be a good play to keep him around. Not to mention the fact that people who have gotten to come back into the house last about 2 eps and are gone and have (I think) never gone on to win (Amy in S3, James in S9, and technically Jessie in S11).

It just seems like it would be a smart play. If I were in the house, I wouldn't care if someone won 50k if it means I was that much closer to winning 500k.

Gamble,

I missed tonight's episode so i may be a bit behind here but AFAIK the problem is that even the viewers don't exactly know what the sab's role is completely yet. For example, if the sab is basically America's player under a different name and we control his vote, then you would definitely want that person out b/c of their unpredictability in a close vote.

i agree the dumb "sabotage" tasks have been dumb so far, but i think they will assume either BB or America control's the sab's vote, which is reason enough to want them out.

Yeah, I definitely agree. My guess is they will offer them a deal after the five weeks where they can either keep the $50K and leave the house or give it up to become eligible to win. Either way, though, that's a person you want in the game, not out of it. I mean, the Saboteur doesn't really "sabotage" stuff that's actually game-related (HoH, PoV, or nominations)...it seems to just be who eats, who gets what perks, etc.

Yeah... what if the saboteur makes it to the end? I'm guessing they'd keep the 50k and be eligible to win past 5 weeks.

Annie is going around telling everyone she has a gf/is a lesbo in a last ditch effort to stay. She just told Hayden.

also Kaysar in S6. Before the season started I predicted that this would be another season that an evicted houseguest comes back, as they seem to do it every third season. With the sab twist it seems highly likely that after week 5 the sab will be taken out and someone previously evicted will come back.

There was an episode of "The Office" where they were playing a murder mystery game and Dwight said "the killer is never the person you most suspect and never the person you least suspect, so I know the killer to be the person i middle-most suspect." It seems way too obvious to be Andrew or Kathy, and way too obvious to not be someone like Lane or Hayden, which is why I think the saboteur is Matt.

He's in good with everyone afaik and he seems pretty nonthreatening. Also he's smart and fairly inconspicuous. Most importantly, he does EXACTLY what Eric did in bb8 when he was doing something America's Player-related with other houseguests. He has such a nervous and defensive laugh after some comments, and the way he talks about the saboteur in the diary room makes him my top suspect. I guess the big reveal is during the first eviction show on Thursday and I'm pretty excited to find out who it is.

lol dwight. thats awesome... matt does seem likely. i was also thinking britney but shes too least suspected, so no way.

so you guys think that BB would level with the interview bits from the shows? I mean Enzo, Rachel, Britney, Annie, Matt, Ragan, Monet, Hayden and somewhat Brendon all had short takes that basically clear them from being the saboteur. maybe not Brendon if the saboteur himself didn't do the kitchen lock thing and probably even know about it either, which is likely.
he should have realized that the blackout probably
had something to do with sabotage though and therefore not want to do anything suspicous like leave to get his toothbrush and -paste as soon as the light goes out if he is the saboteur. but I guess he isn't the brightest guy out there, so could still be.

actually brendon had another clearing take last show and Andrew too "I trust Enzo, I don't think he's the saboteur".

the only three people who didn't have anything about the whole saboteur thing are my earlier picks, Kathy, Kristen and Lane.
quite incriminating for Kathy, as the other two are very UTR, so nothing unusual, but she always has something to say about everything else, but nothing on the saboteur.

though Kathy had something last night that would be clearing as well if the saboteur himself Xed out her and Britney's picture.

chesskid1 posted this in the spoiler free version of BB thread



in after fap?

i really liked her glasses look they showed on the ep last night. also, pleaseee let annie stay. she is interesting and likable... my ideal eviction would be monet. inb4thatsracist

Annie appears to be totally screwed. I know anything can happen in 3+ days, but she appears to have gone down the Brian path and just overplayed her hand from day one. Ugh.

Matt appears to be in pretty good with the Brigade alliance, and I think he might be a pretty good one to root for. I agree that he came across a little douchey with the Mensa stuff, but it's possible the editors made him look douchier than he really is. Once Annie goes, I think I'll be rooting for Enzo and Matt.

Any chance Enzo and Matt are the 2 that know each other?

i haven't seen much of Enzo in the live feeds, but based on his diary stuff and other random stuff we have seen, any chance he sets back New Jersey Italians back further than the jersey shore punks? lol

nahh, He is well-liked in the house and I think he will go pretty far, and easily the funniest person in there.

My guess is no one really knows each other, and it's part of the Saboteur thing to just give them a bunch of BS. If two people actually knew each other, they almost certainly would have talked about it (with each other) by now, and people would have heard it on the feeds and reported it.

How did the votes move from Brendan/Rachel to Annie?