I thought the Jimmy/Kim constant trolling of Howard storyline was boring as hell and it ended with a bang, so I give the show rope

I do wonder if a show will be allowed to bleed this slow and be this methodical ever again though. Obviously because of the BB pedigree, the viewers certainly allow them to get away with a lot as far as keeping interest goes.

This is a baseless prediction but it seems to me that the final question to be answered (aside from what became of Kim) is whether Jimmy is a truly bad person or not.

Walter White was an evil person masquerading through much of his life as a decent person. I felt like Jimmy was the opposite... a guy who was essentially good at heart, but who was such a f***-up that people thought he was bad. So he gave in to that perception, especially after Kim left him, and became Saul.

So, I sense this scam with the cancer patient will lead to the moment of reckoning. The guy will likely wake up and Jimmy will face a choice, perhaps having to do some harm to the guy to save himself. This is where we see if the more good-hearted Jimmy is the real person, or if all along he was in fact just what Chuck thought he was, a con man and a loser.

could see them do something like that, BUT, i don't really feel as though jimmy is a good person

it'd be one thing if they've been scamming dbags who deserve to get got like ken wins, or maybe ppl who he perceives have wronged him like howard, but he's been scamming "sheep" like old ladies, those printer guys who tried to hire him, cliff main, this cancer guy, his own dad, etc etc etc, while also losing his mind at ppl who don't fall for his bs like that air force guy, and chuck


for what it's worth, i think you're a good guy, cliff
for what it's worth, i think you're an *******

And note there’s a Talking Saul after next week’s episode. Surprised there isn’t one after the finale. I confirmed this on TiVo. I bet next week’s episode is gonna be huge.

And the promo for the finale after next week’s episode has leaked……

https://youtu.be/tI3HAOsu5lk

Who's to say they don't come back in the next two episodes? If they don't then yeah, pretty pointless - could have just had Mike's scene and showing him walking into the school past the car. But as above I'll give them credit and assume there's a pay off, they don't seem the type to just throw it in to generate some buzz.

On a related note, why is Mike doing odd jobs for Saul?

I don't know how you found that. Jimmy was a con man all of his life. His victims were portrayed in a negative light because he is the star of the show.

The is Jimmy a good person question was answered in the Chuck seasons, imo.

He’s sympathetic because you can see and understand how Chuck drives him to be like that, but in the end we see that he has zero remorse for basically killing his brother. The only person he ever even considered changing up for was Kim, and it ultimately went the other way with him taking her down with him.

ok, but they already still wasted a bunch of screen time with those guys and i really don't get why


i feel like he has tremendous remorse for that, he's tortured about it, but in typical tv fashion, he can't face it, so he districts himself by staying busy with lawyering & scams

i guess the problem is that you can't change it, what's done is done. his whole life has been ****ing up, and then negotiating/apologizing/fixing/whatever, but with stuff like that you can't hit any undo buttons

I dunno maybe I was just swindled by Jimmy's charm, like so many of his marks?

I just never got the impression he was a bad guy. Yes he couldn't resist a scam, but the scams he enjoyed most were where he could take down some rich obnoxious bully in a bar. Like when he scammed the old lady at Sandpiper, bought her new sneakers, etc., and turned all her friends against her... you could see he honestly felt bad about that (which is why he did the whole routine on the hot mic during bingo, to let everyone know he was the bad guy). Most of what he did was because he had a chip on his shoulder, people like Howard and Chuck represented the guys who saw themselves as better than him, and would never accept him no matter how hard he tried.

And all the guys he scammed in the last episode were obnoxious a-holes with the exception of the last guy, which is why I think that guy will present a fork in the road for Jimmy to see if he is really willing to go full bad guy for good.

It did seem to me that Gene sighed and got a look of "ok, maybe not this one" when at the bar with cancer guy, even asking him if he should be drinking. When guy essentially said, "why the **** not?", he was just a mark again.

man, you guys would really hate the Sopranos last few episodes

Well I certainly hope they don't end it like the sopranos

He does have tremendous remorse, but decided to bury it and view it as giving him permission to be Saul full time. Like Chuck was holding him back or his conscience.

Or maybe another way to view it is that he felt that Chucks death was a point of no return and that was just who he had to be from now on.

It’s sad and sympathetic, which is what makes the show powerful and engaging, but I think that part of the story was resolved back then.

Complete and utter different dramatic set up.

people complained about the pace of this show throughout. "theres only x episodes left and they are wasting time on this". same exact complaints about the Sopranos.

I find a lot of similarities between the shows.

sopranos did the opposite though. they didn't do a full episode about stealing wine from the vipers, and then another full ep about selling the stolen wine. those late eps were focused on characters instead of plot, donks were mad because they wanted the show to get back to the war with new york.

Sopranos was not a show about a character we already know filling in blanks about how he became the character we know.

Its silly to compare them dramatically.

We are going to Palm Coast Sprinkler tonight.

you think its silly to compare them? I mean, Im no art connoisseur or anything and I miss a ton of stuff but damn I feel kinda sorry for you. theres more to shows than just their ostensible plot.

Yes but the plot and the dramatic tempo are linked in BCS in a way that was totally and utterly absent in Sopranos.

Did Sopranos go from one point in the eponymous characters history to another in the last few episodes, with the intervening period actually covered by an entirely different show.

No. Of course not.

If your counter argument is so no **** sherlock that literally everyone must realise it, then its probably a dumb counter argument.

You say there is more to shows than plot, no way, wow victor, you are a genius.

The comparison to the Sopranos is shallow and dumb and just reveals you have a total vacuum of understanding about the issues in the last few episodes.

you are making the exact same complaints that Sopranos fans made in the final episodes.

you want action but this show has never been primarily about that. and neither was the Sopranos.

actually, I dunno wtf you want. Gilligan has always done these clever montages and weird complicated circuitous schemes, moreso in Saul than BB. like really, what are you looking for?

further, its a pretty easy argument that the show ended when Kim left and this is just the denouement (how you like that genius word?...look it up you might learn something)

anyway, Im sorry you dont like it. again, if you have been watching this show for 6 seasons to find out what happens to Saul then I dunno, seems like a bad choice for your time.

was loving it until

fuuuuuuuuuck

I am consistently amazed by Rhea Seehorn's acting. Great ep imo and a huge step up from the last 2.

done in by Ask Jeeves!

Never mind, lol at that Jesse appearance. Maybe next episode but seems like there's too much to tie up.
Finally got something right I guess.

Still not sure what Saul needed the money for now that we know Kim just flat out refused to talk to him, I assumed she was in trouble. Maybe he really was just in it for the thrill