madlex, every man and his dog watched BB, including tens of millions of incredibly dumb people. it is no surprise they turned off BCS in season 1 because at that point it is a completely different show. its still a different show but i don't think it's unfair to say half of it is BBesque and that a lot of those people would enjoy it a lot more now.

tbh if you're the kind of person who enjoyed BB, and posts on an internet messageboard talking about tv shows, you will probably like BCS. fwiw whilst i admired a lot of things in S1 and S2, they also left me a little cold and i wasn't desperate to watch the next episode or anything. i do think it's broadly gotten better over time.

Idk, what doesn't suck nowadays? Of shows airing this year I've only really enjoyed Dave and to a lesser extent BCS.

BB was an outlier. Numbers started very low and increased slightly over the first 3 seasons. In the past when people had to buy/rent DVDs or wait for reruns on TV, things would have gone very differently. Instead, BB got to Netflix before season 4, created a massive hype and TV numbers increased for seasons 4 and 5A and totally exploded for 5B. I think BB was the first (or one of the first) shows that really benefited from being available through streaming while still being on the air.

As far as BCS goes, some of the decline is certainly tied to cord cutting and people watching less linear TV. It's hard to compare it to other shows because circumstances are so different and you always have to decide if you want to use live or live+3 or live+7. But it's probably fair to say that the ratings decline from season 3 to 5 is mostly because of cord cutting.

What's not up for interpretation is that season 1 episode 1 drew a 3.4 rating on Sunday night and episode 2 on the next day ended up with a 1.6. By episode 5 they were down to a 1.2 rating. Half the episodes of season 5 had a rating of 0.3

Personally, I think BCS is a great show. After rewatching BB and BCS back to back early this year, I actually prefer a couple things in BCS. On the third watch, I didn't care about any of the Skylar / Walt Jr stuff and didn't feel that way about anything in BCS.

I just don't get why some people argue "if you like BB, you will like BCS" when that's clearly not the case with a lot of people.

That's GoT and The Walking Dead (until it tanked). BB was pretty popular in the end but still not even in the same universe as some of the blockbuster TV shows.

USA’s Briarpatch was fun

I think the big difference for me between BB and BCS is the immediate live tension/blood pumping scenes of BB. Scenes like in "One Minute." In that one minute might be the most riveted i have ever been watching t.v.

BB better also because it's like a book we can't put down because we don't know the fate of our protagonists. Where BCS we already know where it leads to so it's not as gripping and a slower story. But still a very good show.

Its like an updated version of this song 1057 channels and there is nothing on


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I dont really like to compare BB and BCS as I feel they are very different shows despite sharing the same universe.

I think that BCS requires a certain patience that many viewers wont have.
I have it and feel rewarded with each and every exquisitely produced episode.

Will also admit that at times Gilligan gets too full of himself with certain scenes being dragged out just for the heck of it...like Tarrantino tossing in a few extra "ninjas" for good measure.

Breaking Bad is for boys. Better Call Saul is for girls.

deletes scenes

Hector being over the top dbag is pretty funny

Wonder if next season spells the end for Nacho?

There will be consequences for characters not in Breaking Bad.

I don't see it ending will for Nacho. Very possible his father gets whacked, too.

This has been discussed multiple times ITT. Nacho is mentioned in BB, so it's unlikely he dies in BCS.

say what?

Not really. The BCS writers have basically all options on deck because they can always say “yes, but XYZ was wrong about that in BB”.

Perfect example is Lalo. According to Saul he must be alive, otherwise he couldn’t send someone for him. According to Gus he must be dead, otherwise the Salamanca name wouldn’t die with Hector. Unless Vince Gillian decides that Lalo died between those two episodes.

For all we know right now, Nacho might have gotten extensive facial surgery and changed his name to “Skinny Pete” between BCS and BB.

Which is why Kim = Wendy

When, in the inglorious history of prequels, has a major character continue on and therefore spent the original story on the sidelines?

Jar Jar Binks in Rogue 1?

It is extremely possible Nacho and Lalo are both dead and Mike didn't tell Saul.

Walt and Gus wipe out the Salamacca Family and the cartel, but Lalo did nothing about it?

From the narrative of Breaking Bad I do find it hard to believe that Kim is killed. We know from Better Call Saul that Jimmy is not someone that moves on from things very well. I think most likely scenario, Jimmy sees Kim going to far and he divorces her which brutally damages Kim as she has abandonment issues. The ending in Saul time has to be emotionally devastating while not conflicting with the Breaking Bad narrative.

Mike had his emotionally devastating moment killing Werner and talking about Matty.
Saul can have more, but still has to be happy go lucky. Can't see Kim dying and him being happy go lucky.

Leaves emotionally devastating endings for Nacho and Kim. Maybe there will be a happy ending in the Gene timeline, but no way the Jimmy/Saul timeline does not have emoitonally devastating endings for Nacho and Kim.

https://deadline.com/2020/08/better-...ch-1203013864/

That sounds like Fall 2021 at the earliest?

it was okay, but kind of weird

There's also this article https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...erview-1306683

I think how the last season is going to play out is that are first half continues Jimmy's transition into the Saul persona and there is going to be a ~4 year time-skip at some point, then there will be a couple of episodes that run parallel to the BB plot, and the last few will bring the story to 2015/present where we will get a resolution of the Gene's arc.

As for Kim's fate, I there's no chance she will be killed off (and as other have mentioned) Saul would come out of it the way he is in BB. Considering the showdown with Lalo and last season in general, she will be by Jimmy's side until the end. What will probably happen is that Jimmy will deliberately shield her from his day-to-day and she will be running Ice Station Zebra Associates/the money laundering operation in the background during the events of BB. Jimmy is no dummy when it comes to this and knows, especially later, that Walt would likely have no problem taking a short at Kim during one of his classic egomaniacal fits. As known, BB didn't show a single frame of Jimmy's personal life and it's completely reasonable to think that he will still go home to Kim during the BB timeline.

As for why Kim didn't disappear with him, I have no idea. Maybe Saul managed to convince her to go first after Huell went missing, fearing that she might be next. As for the present timeline, Gene is probably afraid of making contact with her, fearing she might be compromised, but after the season 5's flash-forward he's had enough and will stop running from his past/deal with the BB fallout, reuniting with Kim in the process.

grunch:

that ^

ppl seem confused bc you don't usually see female characters like this on tv, but she's basically just a lady version of saul, aka slippin' kimmy

and she's trending to be even worse
kind of funny it's basically the exact same trajectory as walt and some don't seem to get it

Well I'm starting on BCS again.

If everything goes as planned we might see season 6 in early 2022, potentially with a (late) February start again?

"Better Call Saul season six started filming in February 2020, but most shows have now delayed production due to You Know What.

We originally assumed that new episodes would arrive early 2021, but bearing in mind the impact of the current situation, season six might not return until mid-2021 at least."

Article written 10/27/20
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a...-date-netflix/

No idea where they have their information from, but here’s an interview with Giancarlo Esposito:
https://youtu.be/FLEcKCBT9c0?t=371

Cliff Note related to BCS: They’re now expected to start filming in March 2021.

In the past, shooting took them roughly 5 months plus another 5ish month for post production.

That was like 3 weeks ago. This was about 9 hours ago from Peter Gould I believe, even tho the title says Rhea.

"We initially expected that new scenes would show up before the expected time 2021, yet remembering the effect of the momentum circumstance, season six probably won’t return until mid-2021 at any rate."

https://stanfordartsreview.com/2020/...-rhea-seehorn/