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man how lazy am i that id rather die 20min sooner rather than dig a hole.
i also would be motivated partly by spite as i don't want to save this bastard from having to dig the grave himself.

tho in my present condition thankfully i wouldn't be faced with this dilemma.
tho if they insisted on having me dig my own grave that would indeed prolong my existence quite a bit.

I guess they could make your death more painful if you refuse.

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10-11-2018 , 02:55 PM

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Pine Barrens, too.

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10-11-2018 , 03:32 PM

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Wonder if Mike kills Lalo or will Gus take care of it personally due to him being a Salamanca

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10-11-2018 , 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Later with Walt we run into the same situation. Walt does plenty that would warrant Gus killing him, but he needs Walt to cook. If he kills Walt without a substitute in place, then he is stuck like he is now. So he doesn't kill Walt when he "normally" would have, and because of that decision, ultimately Walt kills him instead.

If Gus never had the Werner experience, maybe the whole thing with Walt plays out differently.

Not at first Walt didn't, from memory. I felt it was strongly implied that Gus was gonna have Walter killed anyway, soon as Gale knew his recipe.

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10-11-2018 , 05:09 PM

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Plus, they're giving you a weapon to use. You think a murderer is gonna focus his gun on you for 30 minutes while you dig your own grave? Just one flinch by him and you smack him with the shovel. Then off you go.

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10-11-2018 , 09:43 PM

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I think the average gunman is probably smart enough to stand out of immediate reach.

Also, don't forget that a short time after beginning digging one is actually standing partially in the hole, making a ninja shovel blast and escape even more unlikely.

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10-11-2018 , 10:12 PM

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as soon as I was given the shovel, I would attack. At least I'd go down swinging. No ****ing way I'm digging my own grave.

This season was quite subtle. I think it will grow in stature in coming years.

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10-12-2018 , 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by corpus vile

Not at first Walt didn't, from memory. I felt it was strongly implied that Gus was gonna have Walter killed anyway, soon as Gale knew his recipe.

Yeah, that's exactly the problem. Old Gus would kill Walt right away and figures out who cooks later. New Gus hesitates until Gale is ready, which gives Walt the ability to kill Gale. Then he hesitates more because he has no backup plan.

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10-13-2018 , 07:32 AM

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I really loved the season as a whole but absolutely hated the werner plot line.
they have no problem sending all those young reckless workers back and trust they won't say anything but because werner is dumb and wanted to spend a few days with his wife he's now such a threat they have to kill him and deal with the german lawyers and the investigation etc?

it makes zero sense and is just lazy sloppy writing.

also, mike says they're gonna make it look like an accident so what we're just supposed to believe the ppl investigating the "accident" are going to be so ****ing inept they miss a fatal bullet wound?

or are they going to somehow orchestrate an entire investigation that will satisfy the german lawyers and authorities and deal with all those loose ends all rather than believe this guy who hasn't give a single indication that he would want to turn mike in and get him n gus in trouble is going to suddenly have a change of heart because he snuck off for a few days to **** his wife?

it's ****ing idiotic.
if anything the total devotion and loyalty he has to his wife should demonstrate that he's the type of guy who is fiercely loyal to the people he cares about one of which is clearly mike.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

one of the defining characteristics of gus they tried to hammer home was he didn't just act irrationally out of anger, he was logical and restrained and once he trusted someone he was willing to hear them out and not rush to judgement.

There is no way any if the Germans make it out alive. They are all toast at this point.

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10-13-2018 , 07:36 AM

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Just started BCS season 3. There is something about the first episode (Mabel) that is bugging me.

So Mike finds at the end of season 2 a note on his car saying 'dont' when he tries to kill Salamanca. He then goes to some graveyard and turns his car upside down and he finds the tracker inside the gas cap. He takes the tracker home and puts it in his other car (not the beige one but the black classic one).
Later he runs down the battery of the tracker and waits till some guy (presumably Gus, but no spoilers please) comes and picks the tracker up. My question is: how does this guy not immediately realize he has been played. Doesn't he see that the tracker is in the wrong car, not in the beige car where he left the note but in the black one.

I tried to search this on google but came up empty. What am I missing?

He went home and found that his second car was also bugged I believe.

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10-13-2018 , 07:44 AM

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I think (though we may never know?) that Kim legit thought Jimmy had some deep-seeded issues regarding Chuck and was suppressing his devastation over losing his brother, which is why she kept encouraging him to see a therapist. It wasn't until after the hearing that she finally realized that Jimmy actually didn't give a **** and probably even blamed Chuck for keeping him at the ambulance-chaser level. His speech to the teenager who was denied the scholarship supports this.

(Though this doesn't jive all that well with previous seasons where we see Jimmy taking almost motherly care of Chuck when he wouldn't leave the house)

As to the last point, all of that changed when Chuck said "really, I never cared much about you at all." Go back and find that scene. Odenkirk does a magnificent job of having that be almost a physical click in the change in Jimmy's feelings for Chuck.

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10-16-2018 , 04:21 AM

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Some people in this thread upset at Mike for not taking half measures.

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10-17-2018 , 10:20 PM

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I think the difference between Walt and Werner tho, is that although Werner is obv at the top of his game, but there would be others who could do very similar or the same.

Walts meth quality was essentially unprecedented, so finding another chemist with his abilities, that would also be willing to cook meth for the cartel would probably be significantly harder

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10-18-2018 , 10:40 PM

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Kim's face when he revealed himself as Saul before her very eyes was something. I suppose there was some part of her that still thought that there was some good in Jimmy. That he'd become a lawyer and help the elderly like he used to. This whole time, she got played by him. Several times, I kept wondering why she stayed by his side. I wonder how she'll rationalize staying with him now.

Jimmy knew once that the girl got rejected by HHM for a scholarship that he had no shot to get his license back without scamming his way through. He had to tell her how it was going to be even if it did look a little creepy. He probably he wishes he knew that when he was her age.

I'm also curious about getting a legal license back. I mean they don't give it back to you and off you go, right? Isn't there a period of time where you're on some kind of probation to make sure that you aren't up to your old tricks? If so, wouldn't that delay him from doing what he does best?

Kind of weird how Werner thought that he'd come back, apologize and that everything would be cool. He knew that he would be away from Germany for a long time and still took the job. Sure there were delays that extended the work but he had to know that was a possibility. I also don't know how the entire team could go back to Germany and not say something about their boss dying. I figured if one of them had to go out like that they'd have to kill them all. Too many loose ends. Probably would have been a cleaner, easier story if he killed himself due to the depression rather than pull a runner. I really don't see how somebody could effectively write their way out of this. I guess they can say that Mike was lying but why would he lie to a guy he was going to kill anyway?

Mike also had a bit of a transformative moment. Earlier in the show, he was always looking for a less lethal way to handle problems even if it was at the expense of his own wellbeing. Initially, he tries to do that with Werner but once he realized that he spoke to Lalo about the project and that either he killed Werner or got disciplined by Gus for ****ing up, he chose the former. The Mike that wanted to stay clean evolved from clean parking lot worker to dirty criminal. He also hasn't seen his granddaughter or daughter-in-law in quite a while.

There are enough questions open to get me excited for the next season. I guess that won't be for a long time though.

In the prior episode I thought Werner realized that none of them are going home alive. When he escaped I didn't think it was to meet his wife and spend a few days together. I thought he and his wife would meet somewhere else (far away form there) and that Werner's intent was to never come back...

So, I was surprised that he actually did break out just to meet his wife.. Poor guy. He had all the signals to know he was a dead man, but didn't realize it until it was too late..

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10-19-2018 , 12:42 AM

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you think if he stayed put and finished the job with no more issues they were still getting killed?

I feel like I was watching a different show.

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10-19-2018 , 12:53 AM

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I think sometimes people confuse what is obvious to us as viewers of a TV show and what is obvious to its fictional characters within the limits of their narrative world. As an audience, a bad ending is very likely for all the Germans. In-world, the Germans have no reason to worry.

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10-19-2018 , 12:55 AM

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that's def true but seeing his reaction when he realizes mike isn't going to forgive him and is actually going to kill him I don't see how we could believe he thought they were all going to be killed regardless and wanted to escape.

he was pretty clearly genuinely shocked when his fate became clear to him.

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11-07-2018 , 12:11 AM

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Seeing reports that a Breaking Bad movie is coming. Need more details but sounds like AMC really wants movies with this and The Walking Dead.

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11-07-2018 , 02:57 AM

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trying to figure out what on earth a breaking bad movie would look like. cant be a prequel and hard to imagine it being a sequel so what on earth is it about?

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11-07-2018 , 03:29 AM

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Cranston hinted a few times ww story wasn't over in some ama. Whatever they decide I'm confident giligan will execute something good at worse we ll pretend the movie never happened.

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11-07-2018 , 03:50 AM

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Jesse after he escaped?
But as much as i love breaking bad, this movie is not needed. BB has a great ending.

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11-07-2018 , 03:55 AM

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If they make a Breaking Bad movie, then maybe Walter White survived at the end.

Obviously, that's a bad idea.

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11-07-2018 , 04:18 AM

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I thought bcs was a bad idea as well so I ll stfu and wait to see

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11-07-2018 , 07:55 AM

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Jessie, Saul, and Flynn team up for “one last job”

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11-07-2018 , 08:22 AM

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https://www.abqjournal.com/1242610/b...ig-screen.html

According to that report, there’s a movie scheduled to be shot in Mid-November and “according to the logline, “Greenbrier” tracks the escape of a kidnapped man and his quest for freedom.”

So while they don’t really know if that’s the BB movie, they assume it has to be because of the production date. “Escape of a kidnapped man” could obviously be Jesse who is running from police and the cartels?

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