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06-20-2017 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by youtalkfunny
Let's talk about something important. PUT. THAT COFFEE. DOWN.

Chuck tells Jimmy to FO, and suddenly his symptoms go from zero-to-suicide in a day. What's up with that? "I just told the chimp to embrace his machine gun...the world is upside-down..."???
Chuck's mental illness has always been correlated with how he treats Jimmy.

When he treats him poorly, such as undermining Jimmy's legal career, Chuck's mental problems manifest themselves.

When he and Jimmy are on better terms, Chuck's symptoms go away. That happened when the two were working on Sandpiper together. He also recovered when his efforts to have Jimmy disbarred failed.

In this episode, Chuck essentially destroyed his relationship with Jimmy. So, his symptoms exploded.
06-21-2017 , 12:01 AM
One thing that bugged me the whole season is that I don't buy Jimmy and Kim having a relationship. At all. idk if Vince can't write it or the actors can't act it, but it doesn't work even a little bit.
06-21-2017 , 12:02 AM
I agree
06-21-2017 , 02:10 AM
She really is out of his league.
06-21-2017 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
Chuck's mental illness has always been correlated with how he treats Jimmy.

When he treats him poorly, such as undermining Jimmy's legal career, Chuck's mental problems manifest themselves.

When he and Jimmy are on better terms, Chuck's symptoms go away. That happened when the two were working on Sandpiper together. He also recovered when his efforts to have Jimmy disbarred failed.

In this episode, Chuck essentially destroyed his relationship with Jimmy. So, his symptoms exploded.
I don't think the brothers were on great terms when Chuck was turning on his lamps.
06-21-2017 , 02:53 AM
Damn, that was a pretty powerful episode. Chuck tearing apart his house and kicking the table at the end was hard to watch.

We see Gus giving Nacho that enigmatic Gus look after the EMTs leave. Does he know about the pills or just suspect something isn't quite right? Is he already thinking about what to serve when he has Nacho over for Chilean Night?

Could someone at the hospital find out about the ibuprofen pills? If there was some concern about the medication, it seems like they might investigate the pills further than just looking at the label. Or did Nacho switch the fake pills with a bottle of real ones? That wasn't clear to me.
06-21-2017 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
One thing that bugged me the whole season is that I don't buy Jimmy and Kim having a relationship. At all. idk if Vince can't write it or the actors can't act it, but it doesn't work even a little bit.
it really doesn't make sense to me either. obv we're led to believe kim has this wild side that she keeps in check ("giselle"), and they made reference a while back to some heavy drinking in college, but jimmy really is just such an average dude and she seems very self assured and type A, like she could do a lot better and she knows it. jimmy looks like an alcoholic shoe salesman straight out of 1987. the way she listened to him singing bali hai on the answering machine that morning, looking all smitten and fawning all over the speaker on her way out while he screeches like a tonedeaf idiot, i just don't believe it.

it doesn't really bother me, it's easy to ignore for whatever reason but it's another one of those little things about the show that seems really forced and poorly conceived. they should have gotten a more average looking, average performing chick who has some daddy issues or substance abuse problems and gives jimmy head for coke or something. now that would be believable.
06-21-2017 , 03:46 AM
Jimmy is quite charismatic...and he's smart and better than average looking. I see no problem with Kim falling for him. She also has a soft spot for him because of his relationship with Chuck and how he went to law school, started in the mail room, etc.
06-21-2017 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Could someone at the hospital find out about the ibuprofen pills? If there was some concern about the medication, it seems like they might investigate the pills further than just looking at the label. Or did Nacho switch the fake pills with a bottle of real ones? That wasn't clear to me.
Nacho definitely switched the pills back even though it wasn't shown.
06-21-2017 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Dynasty
Nacho definitely switched the pills back even though it wasn't shown.
Agreed, or else the scene where Mike told him to switch them back was wasted (or misdirection).
06-21-2017 , 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Damn, that was a pretty powerful episode. Chuck tearing apart his house and kicking the table at the end was hard to watch.

We see Gus giving Nacho that enigmatic Gus look after the EMTs leave. Does he know about the pills or just suspect something isn't quite right? Is he already thinking about what to serve when he has Nacho over for Chilean Night?

Could someone at the hospital find out about the ibuprofen pills? If there was some concern about the medication, it seems like they might investigate the pills further than just looking at the label. Or did Nacho switch the fake pills with a bottle of real ones? That wasn't clear to me.
I think the hospital will definitely find out. he will survive so they will run blood tests on him and notice discrepancies that indicate the lack of presence of his medicine and they may even be able to detect or deduct the presence of elevated ibuprofen.
06-21-2017 , 06:26 AM
Jimmy is funny, often warm and charming, smart and in some particular ways brilliant. He also dotes over Kim. Most importantly Kim ... doesn't meet other guys. That's huge. It's either Jimmy or noone and choosing Jimmy is the standard play. They're also shown as having a pretty ****ty friends with benefitseque relationship.
06-21-2017 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
and they may even be able to detect or deduct the presence of elevated ibuprofen.
I think Nacho used ibuprofen so it would go undetected.
06-21-2017 , 07:56 AM
Am I missing something, or isn't Gus taking a huge risk for seemingly no reason by allowing himself to be spotted in the company of Hector Salamanca when he's picked up by the paramedics?

I liked the episode but also found it a little confusing albeit not in a tilting or belief-suspending way. All signs were pointing to Jimmy continuing w/o interruption down a moral slippery slope, especially with the Irene business the previous episode and then this episode w/ Chuck telling him to embrace his nature, then everything that happened subsequent to the speech was an attempt at redemption by Jimmy. Perhaps Chuck's greater point that Jimmy will always go through the destruction/remorse cycle over and over remains and we're seeing the other end of the spectrum now before we resume the other half next season.
06-21-2017 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by karamazonk
Am I missing something, or isn't Gus taking a huge risk for seemingly no reason by allowing
himself to be spotted in the company of Hector Salamanca when he's picked up by the paramedics?
Good point.

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Originally Posted by karamazonk
I liked the episode but also found it a little confusing
I thought it was Francesca helping Jimmy out himself to the old ladies.
Finally realized it was his babysitter from the job he intentionally got fired from.
06-21-2017 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
Damn, that was a pretty powerful episode. Chuck tearing apart his house and kicking the table at the end was hard to watch.

We see Gus giving Nacho that enigmatic Gus look after the EMTs leave. Does he know about the pills or just suspect something isn't quite right? Is he already thinking about what to serve when he has Nacho over for Chilean Night?

Could someone at the hospital find out about the ibuprofen pills? If there was some concern about the medication, it seems like they might investigate the pills further than just looking at the label. Or did Nacho switch the fake pills with a bottle of real ones? That wasn't clear to me.
He switched the pills back. Mike made him promise that he would
06-21-2017 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by +rep_lol
it really doesn't make sense to me either. obv we're led to believe kim has this wild side that she keeps in check ("giselle"), and they made reference a while back to some heavy drinking in college, but jimmy really is just such an average dude and she seems very self assured and type A, like she could do a lot better and she knows it. jimmy looks like an alcoholic shoe salesman straight out of 1987. the way she listened to him singing bali hai on the answering machine that morning, looking all smitten and fawning all over the speaker on her way out while he screeches like a tonedeaf idiot, i just don't believe it.

it doesn't really bother me, it's easy to ignore for whatever reason but it's another one of those little things about the show that seems really forced and poorly conceived. they should have gotten a more average looking, average performing chick who has some daddy issues or substance abuse problems and gives jimmy head for coke or something. now that would be believable.
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Jimmy is quite charismatic...and he's smart and better than average looking. I see no problem with Kim falling for him. She also has a soft spot for him because of his relationship with Chuck and how he went to law school, started in the mail room, etc.
Right. Physically, a lot of workplace romances don't make a ton of sense. When you spend 8 hours a day next to a guy in a mail room, you get to know someone on a pretty personal level, and with Jimmy's skills in being a charismatic mother****er, it isnt hard to see how she could fall for a guy like him.
06-21-2017 , 09:23 AM
I liked it, didn't love it.

- Chuck tearing the house apart was hard to watch. I too thought it had something to do with undercover Mike. Chuck had lived in that house for a long time with the electricity off, so something must have recently changed that kept the meter running? (ie, all that time he was living there the meter wasn't running, right?). I got 70% we're all overthinking it and it doesn't matter what kept the meter running, 30% we'll find out at some point.

- Gus's menacing look sure makes it look like Nacho is up to no good. They are making Gus into a superhero at this point though, I don't think there is any reason for him to suspect as much

- the HHM buyout scene is both sort of nonsense from a logic POV (as said above a partner buyout would likely never bankrupt the firm) and also from your HR party planner POV. big surprise, conveniently timed!
06-21-2017 , 10:13 AM
the ricin behind the outlet was still drawing power
06-21-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by golddog
I only watched a bit of Talking Saul afterward, but Peter Gould came out and said they hadn't started working on S4 yet.

I'm actually kind of expecting that somebody sees the flames & calls 911, EMT & fire show up, manage to drag Chuck out and save him.

Now, when Jimmy closes the moving truck and tells the guys "You know the address, right? See you there in about an hour.", we all know where they're going, right?

Yeah these don't look like the digs of a man who just inherited a bunch of $$$$$
06-21-2017 , 10:53 AM
At first I thought there was something... but after a while of him tearing down the house I didn't think anything was drawing power - I thought we were just getting a look through Chuck's eyes. We saw him finally snap and his mental illness progress to him imagining things visually.
06-21-2017 , 11:16 AM
what was Kim counting in her book on the couch that seemed to mean something to her. She then went into a daze
06-21-2017 , 11:24 AM
Not sure what she was counting but I think she just caught herself obsessing over work again and put the brakes on. Or her brain stopped working because of brain damage.
06-21-2017 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieDontSurf
what was Kim counting in her book on the couch that seemed to mean something to her. She then went into a daze
I thought she was counting the number of hours each task would take and how it would be spread out across her calendar and was like "nope, **** this"
06-21-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Right. Physically, a lot of workplace romances don't make a ton of sense. When you spend 8 hours a day next to a guy in a mail room, you get to know someone on a pretty personal level, and with Jimmy's skills in being a charismatic mother****er, it isnt hard to see how she could fall for a guy like him.
This is definitely true in the real world, and there are tons of successful relationships that don't seem to make sense on first blush. But we're watching TV, and they're not selling it in the medium it's being presented imo.

      
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