the 50 of us here aren't going to affect the results no matter how many times we bet for tim


also, how is tim staying around effing up Idol? has anyone with a legit shot to win been eliminated? no

If big mike or simoan or lee or casey or crystal goes before Tim, then we can talk. Even if they do, they will just get judges saved

your implication is that there's no significant common denominator among those people. this is wrong. ducy?

if forums around the world unite we can make Tim the next American Idol

I agree with you mostly, but they introduced that save specifically because of Season 3. TPTB try to release a record under their label for some of the top contestants. Jennifer Hudson (outed in Top 7 week) left AI pissed, did not release a record with them, talked a lot of **** about them and then went on to win and Oscar and never thank AI ever again (even though they try to leech off her popularity).

They don't want something like that to happen ever again. It was a huuuge egg on their face.

1. it's not AI's fault


and if you watch season 3 back, Jennifer was 1 of 4 really talented black girls all about the same age. On the show, she wasn't as good as Fantasia, and was about the same as the other two.

Jennifer Hudson was voted off for the same reason Lilly was voted off 13-14th. Too much competition at your position.



and to be honest, they probably wouldn't have saved Jennifer Hudson the week she got eliminated

ya, they def introduced that save because of s3. that's why it didn't make an appearance until five years later.

Tim being around is hilarious, but who knows, maybe he brings it next week! Thats what is crazy about this show tbh, people can rise and fall quickly, and some mediocre (cute) ones ride in the middle until late.

imo the only thing tim is bringing next week is another redic awkward performance. i might just mute the tv during his performance and just see what the panel says about him.

Maybe he'll embrace the hilarity like Sanjaya, which will induce epic amounts of cringe-worthiness.

She didn't win the Oscar until Season 6. They tried to have her on then, she blew them off. They introduced the judges save in Season last season, iirc, but they saved people on Season 6 during "Idol gives back" thingie.

Virtually everyone understands this, but we can't just give up on discussing the show because of it

Hehe, I totally agree that it's not AI's fault. I'm with you Hip most of the way. They just don't want to have the backlash they had back then. Even though everybody *knew* it was the viewers that voted, still people and media outlets went around and said stupid stuff like: "AI is racist!". They don't want to have that anymore, even if there's no logical reason to think it's AI's fault.

That's an interesting question if they would've saved her or not. If you remember the episode was not only a shocker, because J Hudson was eliminated, but all 3 black divas (La Toya, Fantasia and J Hudson) were bottom 3. They even made it like: "here are the red-haired dude, Diana-bot, Miss Hawaii Trias. On the other side there are the black divas. George, you are safe, now chose who the bottom 3 is." The black divas started to wave George over all smug and sure of themselves. It turned out THEY were the bottom 3 and Fantasia, the eventual winner, was actually bottom 2.
Anyway, bottom line is that the answer is "I don't know". Simon has said that they would've saved here, but that is clearly after the fact, after they saw the massive success she had. And who knows, maybe some of that success was pity success... meh, we'll never know.

not really, they didn't save a person, they just didn't send anyone home that week, and two the next week. this is way different, if they don't agree with who america sends home, then they save.


i can make an argument why each and every one left is not save worthy though

right, Jennifer should have been around longer than Jasmine and John, but Latoya, Fantasia and Diana were better than Jennifer pretty much from day 1.

lol 50 people here won't affect it, but all the people doing votefortheworst will, lol. Almost without a doubt that's why Tim is going deeper, same as what happened with Sanjaya. Lots of nerds with robodialers.

right, but at some point, top 6, top 5, w/e Tim's gone. Sure he is causing others to leave a week or two earlier than they should go, but it doesn't matter.

Didi wasn't going to win, so it's just a different order of trash removal on Idol

^ In the grand scheme of things, sure, i guess it doesn't matter. But it's making the show worse...Didi would have likely outperformed nearly everyone for Beatles week next week, but instead of being treated to a potentially epic performance we have to watch tim butcher a song and make a mockery of himself. Tim is the only person left in the competition that shows no promise whatsoever. On the best night of his life, he's only capable of giving an average performance, which likely is still horrible but looks great for his standards.

every year has someone that goes to far, even season 1. you had sanjaya, chicken little, red head john, and now Tim. nothing new here

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I watch AI to see the performances, not because I actually care who wins(especially since winning AI doesn't guarantee you any more career success than getting 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or anywhere else really). So when a good singer is sent home in favor of a bad singer, I don't care if "it wouldn't have changed the results in the long run anyway." As I said, I don't even care about the results....all about the performances along the way.

There is literally only one person this entire season that doesn't come off as really boring..and that's michael..I'd say Katie also has personality..but otherwise everyone else is really uninteresting and boring..even crystal.

LOL Michael is BYE FAR the most boring person on the show. Can we please hear ANOTHER sappy love song please?

week 1: sing sappy love song
week 2: sing even more sappy love song
week 3: sing the most sappy love song on earth

lather rinse repeat

I'll give you 10000:1 that he sings a sappy love song next week.

Yeah, Mike is talented but extremely boring.

Well maybe from a singing perspective..but I was basically just talking about his general attitude...He is far more interesting than someone like Andrew who is really boring....

...and Siobaby who is a punky glassblowing shrieking siren out of a William Gibson novel...

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I'm biased, but Crystal shows here how good a recording artist she's going to be. If you were hearing her for the first time it would not be possible to peg her genre as indie folk and it's also pretty clear she's not going to get tripped up in any of the genre weeks coming down the stretch. This really is the hardest I've marked out for anyone on the show since Kelly.