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03-25-2010 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dlk9s
I really like Andrew, but yeah, he has sucked. He needs to just get back to doing what he does best and stop trying to show diversity. I just saw a Youtube video of him doing a Michael Jackson medley which was sick.
This.. my Andrew fanboyisms have been very prevalent ITT but damn there's no way I can defend that performance on Tuesday. Like c'mon dude you need to step it up. Stop putting the damn guitar down. Rolling Stones week I understand but this was billboard #1 week you could have picked anything semi-recent and did a cool acoustic with it. Yeah I've seen his youtube vids too and there's no question he has talent but he has to do what he's GOOD AT.

Has Crystal ever put her guitar down yet? no. Crystal sings what she likes and does what she wants, he needs to do the same. If creative arrangements on guitar is your thing there's nothing wrong with that. There's so many ways to make it work with tempo changes, range, song choice etc where you can keep things fresh. To anyone who says he's a one trick pony I completely disagree. Aside from his excellent hollywood week he had one of the best auditions, and that was on his voice alone. He doesn't have a great falsetto or anything but the dude can sing and that's been proven just not as of late.

I have to completely agree with Kara for once tho, that's not him. At least not the same guy that people became fans of. What happened to the swagger that he had during his audition and hollywood week? It wasn't there. If he goes back to that and just jams out on guitar there's still hope for him. I mean **** 95% of ppl thought he'd be in the bottom 3 tonight most said bottom 2 and a lot thought he was gonna be bottom 3 last week. He can still turn it around but he needs to do what he's good at..
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03-25-2010 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCalm
This.. my Andrew fanboyisms have been very prevalent ITT but damn there's no way I can defend that performance on Tuesday. Like c'mon dude you need to step it up. Stop putting the damn guitar down. Rolling Stones week I understand but this was billboard #1 week you could have picked anything semi-recent and did a cool acoustic with it. Yeah I've seen his youtube vids too and there's no question he has talent but he has to do what he's GOOD AT.

Has Crystal ever put her guitar down yet? no. Crystal sings what she likes and does what she wants, he needs to do the same. If creative arrangements on guitar is your thing there's nothing wrong with that. There's so many ways to make it work with tempo changes, range, song choice etc where you can keep things fresh. To anyone who says he's a one trick pony I completely disagree. Aside from his excellent hollywood week he had one of the best auditions, and that was on his voice alone. He doesn't have a great falsetto or anything but the dude can sing and that's been proven just not as of late.

I have to completely agree with Kara for once tho, that's not him. At least not the same guy that people became fans of. What happened to the swagger that he had during his audition and hollywood week? It wasn't there. If he goes back to that and just jams out on guitar there's still hope for him. I mean **** 95% of ppl thought he'd be in the bottom 3 tonight most said bottom 2 and a lot thought he was gonna be bottom 3 last week. He can still turn it around but he needs to do what he's good at..


I'll make the same point about Andrew right now that I made about Katie a few weeks ago. The judges are being rough on Andrew since the top 24, just like they were being tough on Katie up until last week.

Andrew, do this, Andrew, do that. etc.


This isn't the problem: Andrew not using/using the guitar. Andrew singing new songs, Andrew singing older songs.


This is the problem: His voice isn't that great. Even on Straight Up, which Kara can't stop talking about, his vocal is just decent. It's a great arrangement, and a nice "remember when" moment.


If Andrew could sing like David Cook, he wouldn't have anyone complaining about him/to him. I guess Crystal would be a better comparison this season. Crystal just does her thing and does it well, and sings well. Andrew does his thing, and does it ok, and sings just ok. The Fall Out Boy song was fun, and he sang it ok, he just isn't capable of much more.


Strip away the guitar, you have a guy that reminds you of Gokey, but can't sing as well as Gokey. Andrew really has 0% chance of winning this, and not much higher of a chance of actually having a recording career.


In comparison, I believe that Lee has a strong natural voice, and will hard work, could actually be pretty good. I just don't think Andrew has the chops. If you disagree, watch the two performances sans guitar. He's not Paige or Tim bad, but he's not much better vocally.



cliff notes: If Andrew could sing really well, he wouldn't have all this nonsense going on about him. He can't sing really well. Therefore, gg
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03-25-2010 , 01:58 AM
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I'll make the same point about Andrew right now that I made about Katie a few weeks ago. The judges are being rough on Andrew since the top 24, just like they were being tough on Katie up until last week.

Andrew, do this, Andrew, do that. etc.


This isn't the problem: Andrew not using/using the guitar. Andrew singing new songs, Andrew singing older songs.


This is the problem: His voice isn't that great. Even on Straight Up, which Kara can't stop talking about, his vocal is just decent. It's a great arrangement, and a nice "remember when" moment.


If Andrew could sing like David Cook, he wouldn't have anyone complaining about him/to him. I guess Crystal would be a better comparison this season. Crystal just does her thing and does it well, and sings well. Andrew does his thing, and does it ok, and sings just ok. The Fall Out Boy song was fun, and he sang it ok, he just isn't capable of much more.


Strip away the guitar, you have a guy that reminds you of Gokey, but can't sing as well as Gokey. Andrew really has 0% chance of winning this, and not much higher of a chance of actually having a recording career.


In comparison, I believe that Lee has a strong natural voice, and will hard work, could actually be pretty good. I just don't think Andrew has the chops. If you disagree, watch the two performances sans guitar. He's not Paige or Tim bad, but he's not much better vocally.



cliff notes: If Andrew could sing really well, he wouldn't have all this nonsense going on about him. He can't sing really well. Therefore, gg
very good post
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03-25-2010 , 02:02 AM
Gokey comparison doesn't make much sense because *last time I will ever utter these words* Gokey had talent.
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03-25-2010 , 02:51 AM
I hate andrew for the same reasons I hated gokey and I have to admit gokey is 10x the performer andrew is.

What a terrible terrible week of idol. Might as well coinflip siobhan/crystal just so we don't have to see any of these people again. Last year seemed like there was at least 5-6 people at this stage who I at minimum mildly looked forward to hearing. Now there's 2.. and 8 weeks until they're all gone. And even those two are getting very repetitive. I'm very bored with crystal's hipster busker act (though I'm 95% sure she mileyrolled everyone when she got her guitar signed which was funny) and siobhan's doing the same song over and over, though I have some faith she'll see that and mix it up the next couple weeks.
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03-25-2010 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
I'll make the same point about Andrew right now that I made about Katie a few weeks ago. The judges are being rough on Andrew since the top 24, just like they were being tough on Katie up until last week.

Andrew, do this, Andrew, do that. etc.


This isn't the problem: Andrew not using/using the guitar. Andrew singing new songs, Andrew singing older songs.


This is the problem: His voice isn't that great. Even on Straight Up, which Kara can't stop talking about, his vocal is just decent. It's a great arrangement, and a nice "remember when" moment.


If Andrew could sing like David Cook, he wouldn't have anyone complaining about him/to him. I guess Crystal would be a better comparison this season. Crystal just does her thing and does it well, and sings well. Andrew does his thing, and does it ok, and sings just ok. The Fall Out Boy song was fun, and he sang it ok, he just isn't capable of much more.


Strip away the guitar, you have a guy that reminds you of Gokey, but can't sing as well as Gokey. Andrew really has 0% chance of winning this, and not much higher of a chance of actually having a recording career.


In comparison, I believe that Lee has a strong natural voice, and will hard work, could actually be pretty good. I just don't think Andrew has the chops. If you disagree, watch the two performances sans guitar. He's not Paige or Tim bad, but he's not much better vocally.



cliff notes: If Andrew could sing really well, he wouldn't have all this nonsense going on about him. He can't sing really well. Therefore, gg
First off, Gokey couldn't really sing and had an annoying voice..he himself was annoying and he also didn't have much talent IMO.

Andrew can sing. Want proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6_VFmTcSs

Simon: The only person who's walked through today who I genuinely believe is a good singer. A genuinely, genuinely good singer.

Randy: you got MAD vocals dude that was excellent.

Katy Perry: you gave me chills

Kara: You really knew what to emphasize and what not to emphasize. 110% yes.

Sorry but you don't sing that well acapella by chance, you do see why right? Once again the real problem is he just can't sing certain songs. Heard it through the grapevine was really bad. But what does that have to do with being a good recording artist? Absolutely nothing. Andrew has a lot of potential for a recording career and forsure a million times more than someone like Aaron kelly.

Flash back to week 1 if you want where Simon even tells him "you have an absolutely fantastic recording voice". It's ignorant to think that just because you aren't a phenomenal pure singer or just cause there's a lot of songs you can't sing well, you can't be a good recording artist. Do I really need to list off a million examples right now? Even MJ from mjsbigblog who absolutely hates Andrew said this about his gimme shelter studio version

"Kill me now, but this recording is really good. And it’s more than just cleaning up Andrew’s vocals. He sings the song with a conviction and dynamic range totally absent from his live performance. Astonishing"

I got it on itunes and can't say I disagree. Andrew truly does have a lot fans, I was shocked he wasn't in the bottom 3 tonight I was pretty confident he would be there. They also seem like the type of fans that will buy his album in a second cause they're saving him every week even when he was bad performances. Look I am in no way trying to say that Andrew has one of the best vocals in the competition. But that means nothing when it comes to potentially having a successful recording career. At the end of the day isn't that the goal?
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03-25-2010 , 03:11 AM
Yeah, he's gonna sell a ton of albums.

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butnahhhhhhh
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03-25-2010 , 03:20 AM
did NO ONE see demi mess up. i mean, she started singing when it was joe's part and caught herself and stopped.
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03-25-2010 , 03:31 AM
lol reading all the following responses. The last episode was rife with people picking the wrong song for themselves to sing and then mixed with some people who aren't good. Andrew can sing certain song well, tuesday's choice wasn't one of them. In fact it was a horrible choice.
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03-25-2010 , 03:41 AM
i'm sure none of us know whose part is whose, so mehhh.
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03-25-2010 , 06:07 AM
what's dumber, the group songs, or the people that actually watch the group songs?

DVR & watching the results show in less than 2 minutes FTW

love the avatar though, TITANS. CJ is the man.
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03-25-2010 , 06:34 AM
I watched the results live this week. heh.
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03-25-2010 , 07:16 AM
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what's dumber, the group songs, or the people that actually watch the group songs?

DVR & watching the results show in less than 2 minutes FTW

love the avatar though, TITANS. CJ is the man.
CJ is the man, yes.
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03-25-2010 , 07:59 AM
First the first time ever, I started watching the group medley's this season, simply because they're such a trainwreck.

I think I heard auto-tune this week, and even know she was lip-synching, Paige was still pitchy.
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03-25-2010 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Soncy
+1 on this. You think they might let the chick in the youtube video sing while AG plays the guitar? He might have a shot if they do.
Ha - I just showed my wife the video and said the same thing. I really think if he went up on stage and sang "I'll Be There" like he does in the video, he'd bring the house down.

Anyone who says Andrew or Danny Gokey can't sing needs to get the wax out of their ears. Unfortunately, Andrew has picked terrible songs/styles that don't match his voice.
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03-25-2010 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Gokey comparison doesn't make much sense because *last time I will ever utter these words* Gokey had talent.
I just meant, for me, his voice sounds 'like' Gokey in that Nasally kind of way. I guess the way people think Lee sounds similar to Chris D. Obv Gokey has mad chops and Andrew doesn't. I was just saying he sounds like Gokey, if Gokey couldn't sing.
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03-25-2010 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by TheCalm
First off, Gokey couldn't really sing and had an annoying voice..he himself was annoying and he also didn't have much talent IMO.

Andrew can sing. Want proof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6_VFmTcSs

Simon: The only person who's walked through today who I genuinely believe is a good singer. A genuinely, genuinely good singer.

Randy: you got MAD vocals dude that was excellent.

Katy Perry: you gave me chills

Kara: You really knew what to emphasize and what not to emphasize. 110% yes.

here is the problem with using judges reaction to normal auditions:


they have been listening to william hung all day, so anyone that can carry a tune sounds great. I agree, he sounded pretty good in that song, but there are still parts he falters and is off pitch.

So yes, Garcia is better than 98% of America. So what, so is Alex Lambert, and Katelyn Epperly, so what. The fact is, the skill gap between people like Andrew Garcia and Clay and Reuben is monumental.

Is Andrew a good singer compared to me? absolutely

Is Andrew a good singer compared to Clay Aiken? not really

Is Andrew a good singer compared to KD Lang? lol


that's his problem
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03-25-2010 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
I watched the results live this week. heh.
jesus christ man. I'm hoping you were being tortured by someone. Only excuse.
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03-25-2010 , 04:34 PM
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omg katy perry
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03-25-2010 , 07:13 PM
am i the only one who was actually pleasantly surprised that Miley sounded pretty good?
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03-25-2010 , 07:40 PM
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omg katy perry
omg boobs
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03-25-2010 , 07:55 PM
Studio versions up

Didn't care for the very up front production of the band on Crystal's song (especially after hearing the rawness of Joplin's first take in the studio), but obviously still miles ahead of everyone else. Not a single track worth a re-listen amongst the bunch.
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03-25-2010 , 10:04 PM
Are those produced from their live performance or do they record the vocal again in the studio?
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03-25-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Are those produced from their live performance or do they record the vocal again in the studio?
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03-25-2010 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheHip41
here is the problem with using judges reaction to normal auditions:


they have been listening to william hung all day, so anyone that can carry a tune sounds great. I agree, he sounded pretty good in that song, but there are still parts he falters and is off pitch.

So yes, Garcia is better than 98% of America. So what, so is Alex Lambert, and Katelyn Epperly, so what. The fact is, the skill gap between people like Andrew Garcia and Clay and Reuben is monumental.

Is Andrew a good singer compared to me? absolutely

Is Andrew a good singer compared to Clay Aiken? not really

Is Andrew a good singer compared to KD Lang? lol


that's his problem
You're stating the obvious, no crap he doesn't have the same chops as someone like Reuben. But once again, what the heck does that have to do with being a successful recording artist? Nothing at all lol. Technically, clay aiken has better vocals than jason mraz. Will he ever be as successful? no. Todrick has a better voice than Jason Derulo but will he ever have a #1 record? no. Will.I.Am can't sing but he knows how to make things work through his creativity in the studio.

Same goes for a bunch of other past singers with great vocals on Idol. You were once pro-Garcia and you also said he has promise so you must have seen something in him that would = to him potentially having a good recording career even without a great voice.
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